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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:31
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issoisso wrote:
Rin wrote:
Like A.C. Davis was at Liberty Seguros, ONCE etc. and cleared of the fuentes list, why are you hating then Boonen because he is even a doper?
You can use cocaine for performance enhancing, thats why Boonen was "banned"
Come on, why are you doing 2 lists with "Oh that sucks for Davis" and the other list is "F*** Boonen"???
He put it quite a bit more mildly, though 
Still, this is ridiculous. The courts are forcing organizers to have teams and riders race if they're not invited.
What's next? The court forcing me to invite my ex-girlfriends over to my barbecue even though I don't want them there?
It's MY barbecue. They can't force me to invite people. It's the ASO's race. They can't force the ASO to invite people.
Insane.
What is it with this site and bbq's someone refered to a bbq the other day and there neighbour being invited anyway whats the money that katusha go to the courts to get invited into the vuelta 
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:32
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issoisso wrote:
Rin wrote:
Like A.C. Davis was at Liberty Seguros, ONCE etc. and cleared of the fuentes list, why are you hating then Boonen because he is even a doper?
You can use cocaine for performance enhancing, thats why Boonen was "banned"
Come on, why are you doing 2 lists with "Oh that sucks for Davis" and the other list is "F*** Boonen"???
He put it quite a bit more mildly, though
Still, this is ridiculous. The courts are forcing organizers to have teams and riders race if they're not invited.
What's next? The court forcing me to invite my ex-girlfriends over to my barbecue even though I don't want them there?
It's MY barbecue. They can't force me to invite people. It's the ASO's race. They can't force the ASO to invite people.
Insane.
I agree with you about the court against organizers part, but I find it quite idiot from ASO not to let Boonen race.
As if a sprinter even not in top form could be something wrong against their image,...
OK, guys, then why is Lance Armstrong, who is someone much worse for their image, riding, and we could speak about Bjarne Riis, Alberto Contador, and why not Laurent Fignon.
I think we've reached a very low and bad level in cycling, with nearly everyone doping, stupid organizers, corrupted UCI, stupid inside teams.
Hopefully, there's still French teams and Team Columbia to still enjoy cycling a little bit.
Really sad. Hope this Tour will change my point of view, but...
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:33
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Juan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Rin wrote:
Like A.C. Davis was at Liberty Seguros, ONCE etc. and cleared of the fuentes list, why are you hating then Boonen because he is even a doper?
You can use cocaine for performance enhancing, thats why Boonen was "banned"
Come on, why are you doing 2 lists with "Oh that sucks for Davis" and the other list is "F*** Boonen"???
He put it quite a bit more mildly, though
Still, this is ridiculous. The courts are forcing organizers to have teams and riders race if they're not invited.
What's next? The court forcing me to invite my ex-girlfriends over to my barbecue even though I don't want them there?
It's MY barbecue. They can't force me to invite people. It's the ASO's race. They can't force the ASO to invite people.
Insane.
I agree with you about the court against organizers part, but I find it quite idiot from ASO not to let Boonen race.
As if a sprinter even not in top form could be something wrong against their image,...
OK, guys, then why is Lance Armstrong, who is someone much worse for their image, riding, and we could speak about Bjarne Riis, Alberto Contador, and why not Laurent Fignon.
I think we've reached a very low and bad level in cycling, with nearly everyone doping, stupid organizers, corrupted UCI, stupid inside teams.
Hopefully, there's still French teams and Team Columbia to still enjoy cycling a little bit.
Really sad. Hope this Tour will change my point of view, but...
Woah Woah Woah have A.C or L.A been caught for using drugs previously??
Please asnwer that question and compare it to the answer with boonen!!!
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:33
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As much as i think its a wrong decision and that Boonen is an idiot, this might make the sprints interesting to watch this year...
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:36
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Did I make it sound like Mondory is the villian? I tried to make him sound like a hero. I'm not shcleck fan to be honest I'm just to lazy to come up with a new nickname (and Wahlon ain't helping)
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:37
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issoisso wrote:
Rin wrote:
Like A.C. Davis was at Liberty Seguros, ONCE etc. and cleared of the fuentes list, why are you hating then Boonen because he is even a doper?
You can use cocaine for performance enhancing, thats why Boonen was "banned"
Come on, why are you doing 2 lists with "Oh that sucks for Davis" and the other list is "F*** Boonen"???
He put it quite a bit more mildly, though
Still, this is ridiculous. The courts are forcing organizers to have teams and riders race if they're not invited.
What's next? The court forcing me to invite my ex-girlfriends over to my barbecue even though I don't want them there?
It's MY barbecue. They can't force me to invite people. It's the ASO's race. They can't force the ASO to invite people.
Insane.
You're right  but they should apply the same criteria for everyone
If they want Boonen not to start for 'damaging the image of cycling' (which he did, and which is the only thing ASO can hold against him) then they should also apply those rules to others
Klöden, Riis, Armstrong, F. Schleck, Katyusha, Virenque, Valverde last year, ... there is an endless list of riders/commentators/team directors who have a doping past or are/have been linked to doping and have thus damaged the image of cycling/the tour who are allowed to partake in the tour in some form or another
So why should Boonen(who didnt even dope but got caught for recreational drug use) be the only one who should get punished for that by not being able to start?
(and for the record: ASO did want to invite him after hearing UCI said it was ok and wouldnt start a procedure vs Boonen, but ASO changed their mind after Bernand Laporte(French Secretary of State at the time) pressured them)
Insane.
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:44
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Xavier wrote:
You're right but they should apply the same criteria for everyone
If they want Boonen not to start for 'damaging the image of cycling' (which he did, and which is the only thing ASO can hold against him) then they should also apply those rules to others
Klöden, Riis, Armstrong, F. Schleck, Katyusha, Virenque, Valverde last year, ... there is an endless list of riders/commentators/team directors who have a doping past or are/have been linked to doping and have thus damaged the image of cycling/the tour
So why should Boonen(who didnt even dope but got caught for recreational drug use) be the only one who should get punished for that by not being able to start?
Insane.
Exactly what I wrote
Ad wrote:
Woah Woah Woah have A.C or L.A been caught for using drugs previously??
Please asnwer that question and compare it to the answer with boonen!!!
I think you are missing the point my friend
Don't know what you're meaning.
And as far as I know, I'm not your friend
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:45
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Xavier wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Rin wrote:
Like A.C. Davis was at Liberty Seguros, ONCE etc. and cleared of the fuentes list, why are you hating then Boonen because he is even a doper?
You can use cocaine for performance enhancing, thats why Boonen was "banned"
Come on, why are you doing 2 lists with "Oh that sucks for Davis" and the other list is "F*** Boonen"???
He put it quite a bit more mildly, though
Still, this is ridiculous. The courts are forcing organizers to have teams and riders race if they're not invited.
What's next? The court forcing me to invite my ex-girlfriends over to my barbecue even though I don't want them there?
It's MY barbecue. They can't force me to invite people. It's the ASO's race. They can't force the ASO to invite people.
Insane.
You're right but they should apply the same criteria for everyone
If they want Boonen not to start for 'damaging the image of cycling' (which he did, and which is the only thing ASO can hold against him) then they should also apply those rules to others
Klöden, Riis, Armstrong, F. Schleck, Katyusha, Virenque, Valverde last year, ... there is an endless list of riders/commentators/team directors who have a doping past or are/have been linked to doping and have thus damaged the image of cycling/the tour who are allowed to partake in the tour in some form or another
So why should Boonen(who didnt even dope but got caught for recreational drug use) be the only one who should get punished for that by not being able to start?
Insane.
If he couldnt start last year, then he shouldnt start this year either, Astana didnt start last year either because of the doping case the year before. Zabel also didnt start a year when he admitted to have used epo back in the 90's. Ullrich also didnt start a year after being caught on xtc outside of competition, sowhy should Boonen be different?
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:49
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Zabel started at every Tour except 2005 where T-Mobile wanted 100% Ullrich
I think the Barbecue isn´t as much interesting as without the Ex-Girlfriend, maybe they could start loving again 
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:56
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Yeah but several ex-girlfriends, they could start talking about how "bad" you were in bed and scare the other girls away!
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Posted on 03-07-2009 12:58
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Rin wrote:
Zabel started at every Tour except 2005 where T-Mobile wanted 100% Ullrich
Ow yea, your wright, i tought he didnt start the tour 2007
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Posted on 03-07-2009 13:11
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issoisso wrote:
Rin wrote:
Like A.C. Davis was at Liberty Seguros, ONCE etc. and cleared of the fuentes list, why are you hating then Boonen because he is even a doper?
You can use cocaine for performance enhancing, thats why Boonen was "banned"
Come on, why are you doing 2 lists with "Oh that sucks for Davis" and the other list is "F*** Boonen"???
He put it quite a bit more mildly, though
Still, this is ridiculous. The courts are forcing organizers to have teams and riders race if they're not invited.
What's next? The court forcing me to invite my ex-girlfriends over to my barbecue even though I don't want them there?
It's MY barbecue. They can't force me to invite people. It's the ASO's race. They can't force the ASO to invite people.
Insane.
Agree 100%
dumb decision, even stranger considering it's a french court (and the minister for sport said he's not welcome).
Now, let's spare a thought for who he's replacing, they've participated in the team presentation etc. and today has been told no. The morales in that for QST quite frankly also suck.
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Posted on 03-07-2009 13:18
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Morale for QST isn't important.
Only Chavanel will be able to do well (maybe Boonen, but considering his form, I doubt it).
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Posted on 03-07-2009 13:27
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doddy13 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Rin wrote:
Like A.C. Davis was at Liberty Seguros, ONCE etc. and cleared of the fuentes list, why are you hating then Boonen because he is even a doper?
You can use cocaine for performance enhancing, thats why Boonen was "banned"
Come on, why are you doing 2 lists with "Oh that sucks for Davis" and the other list is "F*** Boonen"???
He put it quite a bit more mildly, though
Still, this is ridiculous. The courts are forcing organizers to have teams and riders race if they're not invited.
What's next? The court forcing me to invite my ex-girlfriends over to my barbecue even though I don't want them there?
It's MY barbecue. They can't force me to invite people. It's the ASO's race. They can't force the ASO to invite people.
Insane.
Agree 100%
dumb decision, even stranger considering it's a french court (and the minister for sport said he's not welcome).
Now, let's spare a thought for who he's replacing, they've participated in the team presentation etc. and today has been told no. The morales in that for QST quite frankly also suck.
I agree to and cant feel more srry for Davis, but to clear this out, the minister of sports who denied Boonen has been fired.
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Posted on 03-07-2009 13:29
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Either way, this whole discussion should've been in the Tour de France thread and not this one |
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KenL wrote:
A question? (eventually);
Didn't the ASO vs UCI fight last year center around the ASO's right for the TDF to invite whomever they wanted and startlists not to be dictated to them by the UCI in favour of the Pro-Tour teams?
If so: why dosen't the ASO "uninvite QuickStep", give them the ultimatum: Boonen or the Tour.....I am pretty sure there are a few (1-500) other teams that might like to take their place.
I think:
QST and Lefevre have to realise that the ASO may not be in a position to deal with them this year, but the ASO is not likely to be happy with being man-handled by a team and will simply overlook an invite for QST for 2010 +.
They cant pose that ultimatum, because then they would get a huge procces by QuickStep and probobly the UCI.
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Posted on 03-07-2009 16:06
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kida wrote:
fenian_1234 wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Well he is not all wrong..but definatly not the person who should talk like this. He is active rider. And this is not nice to speculate like this in the press..
I'd have to agree. What good does it do throwing around accusations?
I already know what he's saying, as does anyone with half a brain.
I don't get the logic, it's not ok for a cyclist to say Schleck/Contador/Evans etc is "cheating" but it's ok for random internet fans to say Schleck/Contador/Evans(insert name of rider(s) that you hate) etc are cheating. Surely it's a good thing that this is now happening and if the allegations aren't true, the rider being accused can always take the matter to the courts.
Afraid I don't live in such a black and white world.
I know Schleck is probably doping - and he's one of my favourite riders, as he's a big friend of my other favorite, Basso, Riis knows what Schleck is up to, the UCI do, ASO do. I might post in a forum visited mostly by cycling fans that this is the case, but I'm not about to go on French TV and say it to a wider audience.
Especially, when the people who can take action on it, already know and don't because they are not in a position to due of the lack of hard evidence. Maybe that will change soon - as Dekker's case demonstrates.
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Posted on 03-07-2009 16:11
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And as for Tom Boonen, I'm happy to see him in.
It's a big decision though - it'll probably make it difficult for ASO to exclude riders who are not officially banned in the future. |
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Kami wrote:
KenL wrote:
A question? (eventually);
Didn't the ASO vs UCI fight last year center around the ASO's right for the TDF to invite whomever they wanted and startlists not to be dictated to them by the UCI in favour of the Pro-Tour teams?
If so: why dosen't the ASO "uninvite QuickStep", give them the ultimatum: Boonen or the Tour.....I am pretty sure there are a few (1-500) other teams that might like to take their place.
I think:
QST and Lefevre have to realise that the ASO may not be in a position to deal with them this year, but the ASO is not likely to be happy with being man-handled by a team and will simply overlook an invite for QST for 2010 +.
They cant pose that ultimatum, because then they would get a huge procces by QuickStep and probobly the UCI.
Why the hell not..they made it clear for UCI few years ago..that this is ASO event..they invite who they want. This will be hard ..but good example to not invite Quickstep next year. |
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issoisso wrote:
I think he'll be quite competitive. But that question will start to be answered tomorrow, eh?
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