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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-11-2008 21:44
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
well then from your perspective the only indecision you get to feel when watching some mountain stage in an big stage race competition is who's on dope and who isn't...
Why do you assume that?
Gustavovskiy wrote:
if you dont belive and you dont struggle against this wave how can we have cycling back?? my guess is never... 
who says I don't
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just one thing issoisso... how many of the riders of ...lets say... tour de france you would say are on dope??
That's impossible for me to say. Martial Saugy says they over at the Lausanne lab can easily see who is and isn't but sadly can't declare them positive. If we believe him, the number was around 80% in 2007. |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:02
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issoisso wrote:
Gustavovskiy wrote:
well then from your perspective the only indecision you get to feel when watching some mountain stage in an big stage race competition is who's on dope and who isn't...
Why do you assume that?
sorry if I was not correct but it was what you seemed to believe as you defend that great riders are actually great riders or riders on dope (maybe my english isn't the best of my qualities)
issoisso wrote:
Gustavovskiy wrote:
if you dont belive and you dont struggle against this wave how can we have cycling back?? my guess is never...
who says I don't
no one neither did I... glad to know (I assume) you're on the good side 
issoisso wrote:
Gustavovskiy wrote:
just one thing issoisso... how many of the riders of ...lets say... tour de france you would say are on dope??
That's impossible for me to say. Martial Saugy says they over at the Lausanne lab can easily see who is and isn't but sadly can't declare them positive. If we believe him, the number was around 80% in 2007.
It's also difficult to comment a comment of a respected lab with no evidences, but still with the respect that must be given to its statements, and assuming that with some range of error they are correct, the fight against doping is already lost or dramaticaly dominated by the wrong side...
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:03
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are we seriously gonna have another endless discussion about who doping and whos not 
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:13
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my aim was not to argue about whos doping but to question the principles of the riders and their supporters regarding the doping scene...
obviously discussing wos doped and whos not leads to nowhere
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:15
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
are we seriously gonna have another endless discussion about who doping and whos not
Well, its the only time we get to see isso be openly violent on the site. In many ways, if your not involved, its like watching the Superbowl. Isso Vs. The World. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-11-2008 07:54
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Retiring Paolo Savoldelli (Savoldelli sounds like "ça vaut le délit" in French, which means "it's worth the felony", erm...) said that he stopped trusting cycling the day Vinokourov got caught in 2007.
Until there, there's nothing to be too shocked about.
What is shocking now : he stopped believing in cycling that day, because Vino, like Kash, Rasmussen or Landis would have never spent that many money trying to prove his innocence. The fact they didn't manage to, shows they're victims of the fight between UCI and ASO (GT organisers).
Let's all cry a river for Landis, Rasmussen, Kashechkin and Vinokourov then, right ? |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 17-11-2008 08:08
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Rasmussen may not be allowed to ride, but he haven't lost money yet, in his legal battles. Of course he didn't get Rabo to pay up the same amounts he would've earned by winning le Tour, but he still got a fair share.
Gustavovskiy wrote:if you dont belive and you dont struggle against this wave how can we have cycling back??
Have cycling back? Cycling really haven't changed since it all started. It's the world around it which have changed. Both ethicly and chemicly |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 17-11-2008 08:43
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Deadpool wrote:
we get to see isso be openly violent
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-11-2008 19:37
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Vinokourov is now denying he ever doped - I like the headline - sort of stupid for denying he doped
Vinokourov: Don't call me stupid
Alexander Vinokourov continues to deny blood doping during the 2007 Tour de France. The Kazakh rider, 35, is planning to come back to Team Astana after his one-year suspension, he said in an interview while attending a trade show in the Netherlands last week.
"Do you really think I was so stupid?" he asked in Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf. "Everyone knows that you can easily be caught for a blood transfusion. What did I have left to win in the Tour to take such a risk? After my crash I had already lost my high GC ranking."
Vinokourov dropped from 12th to 81st after a crash in the 2007 Tour's fifth stage. He came back to win the stage 13 time trial. He crashed again the next day and lost nearly 29 minutes, but came back on the 15th stage to win the 'Queen Stage' in Le Louron.
Officials announced the next day that he tested positive for blood doping after the time trial.
Team Astana suspended Vinokourov and withdrew from the Tour. His national federation later gave him a one-year suspension. He recently announced his intentions to return with Team Astana this spring.
He has consistently denied doping and said that his early crash in the 2007 Tour, which caused deep cuts in his right knee, may have been responsible for the positive control. "I have no proof, but it is clear that my blood values were not in order after that fall," he said.
Vinokourov believes that his case was not thoroughly examined. The International Cycling Union (UCI) hardened its positions in light of Operación Puerto, he said, and he had to pay the price. "I was tested positive and I had to hang. ... I continue to say that the laboratory got it wrong."
"Some will always doubt my honesty. ... If I say that never used doping, some will never believe me. I have never used prohibited substances.
"I still want to prove myself on the bicycle. I want to show the world that I ride without doping and that I can still win the big races." (SW)
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| knasen |
Posted on 17-11-2008 19:44
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What to say about Vinokourov? I know UCI will stop him from competing this spring. But will he find a team for 2010? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-11-2008 11:22
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It's previously been mentioned that Armstrong would ride all the 'great' classics except Paris-Roubaix. This has now been changed, so the only classic he'll ride is Ronde van Vlaanderen. |
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| chuckie |
Posted on 18-11-2008 19:07
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Armstrong says theres a chance he will be attacked if he rides the tour in 09 .
"There are some aggressive, angry emotions (in France). My safety could be in jeopardy."
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| milrbe |
Posted on 19-11-2008 12:54
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Menchov is going to do the Giro next year as well, after the double worked out well for him this year. The Giro will be quite the show next year so it seems. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-11-2008 13:05
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chuckie wrote:
Armstrong says theres a chance he will be attacked if he rides the tour in 09 .
"There are some aggressive, angry emotions (in France). My safety could be in jeopardy."
People even dared booing him in 2002  |
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| Halvor |
Posted on 19-11-2008 13:13
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Aquarius wrote:
chuckie wrote:
Armstrong says theres a chance he will be attacked if he rides the tour in 09 .
"There are some aggressive, angry emotions (in France). My safety could be in jeopardy."
People even dared booing him in 2002
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 19-11-2008 15:01
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This is important news for all thoose who ever thought about having diner with Sylvian Chavanel. Don't do it's dangourous. As Chavanel got the briliant idea to serve oysters for his guests. And while trying to open one, he cut himself in the finger all the way into the bone. He got 13 stinges, and won't have any felling in his finger for months.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 19-11-2008 15:38
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 19-11-2008 16:38
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Im going to say "Eufemiano Fuentes' wife" and "1992 Olympics"...
And at some point, some other forum member is going to mention some actualy news regarding these two.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-11-2008 16:39
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Waghlon wrote:
Im going to say "Eufemiano Fuentes' wife" and "1992 Olympics"...
And at some point, some other forum member is going to mention some actualy news regarding these two.
Colonel Mustard, in the dining room, with the chandelier |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 19-11-2008 16:43
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issoisso wrote:
Waghlon wrote:
Im going to say "Eufemiano Fuentes' wife" and "1992 Olympics"...
And at some point, some other forum member is going to mention some actualy news regarding these two.
Colonel Mustard, in the dining room, with the chandelier
Or Eufemiano Fuentes, in Barcelona, with the doping kit |
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