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Posted on 15-06-2008 17:59
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Guido Mukk wrote:
A_Schleck dont talk about A. Schleck..he want to keep this talks for the tour..  Andy boy has few years..and then he has possible grand tour winner type. Who can mess up Bruyneel general plan.
I don't think A. Schleck can win Le Tour this year, in fact, I'm certain he won't. Carlos Sastre on the other hand is one of the rider I think has what it takes to win Le Tour this year. The other is Evans of course. I think the win will be decided between these two riders. But Andy could win the U25 jersey though 
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:01
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But it is harder competition in the TdF Conta won the Giro even he wasnt in shape He didnt even look like the conta he showed in TdF07 |
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:03
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Four years ago when he won The giro nobody said about Cunego that he's a classics ryder. Now you jump on to conclusions. They say this Cunego is that 2004 Cunego, and if you wanna decide it, just wait for the Tour de France. It's only his 3rd day of racing after the long break. You can't judge Cunego, Evans, Valverde and all this guys by this form. If you were, Lance wouldn't have won the tour 7 times in a row, Landis wouldn't been so good in 2006 Tour and so on.
And by the way, there's no way Frank Schleck is a better stage racer than Cunego. If there's a doubt about Cunego's statute, there isn't about Frank's. He is a Classic ryder. His brother, Andy, though, may be a better stage racer than Cunego. And just to remind you, 2004 Cunego couldn't TT, this one does, and it does pretty well. In the Vuelta a Pais Vasco TT, on the second section of the race, which was a flat one, gained time on Thomas Dekker, coming in third place just before the third section.
You're basing your arguments on Cunego being a better TTist than in 2004 on a very slim background. The fact that he gained on Dekker after the climb in the Basque Tour, can be due to many, many reasons, none of these reasons are that he is a better time trialist. I'm basing my opinion on how Cunego has been riding in the Giro after he won it and he has been riding like that ever since, so I don't see how he can suddenly come in and win Le Tour, it's just not going to happen. Believe you me.
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:03
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A_Schleck wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
A_Schleck dont talk about A. Schleck..he want to keep this talks for the tour.. Andy boy has few years..and then he has possible grand tour winner type. Who can mess up Bruyneel general plan.
I don't think A. Schleck can win Le Tour this year, in fact, I'm certain he won't. Carlos Sastre on the other hand is one of the rider I think has what it takes to win Le Tour this year. The other is Evans of course. I think the win will be decided between these two riders. But Andy could win the U25 jersey though
if sastre wins the tour de france i will eat my shoe
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:06
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@ContaRicco: I agree with you
This is Sastres last chance of winning TdF .. He isn't that young anymore and if he doesn't do it this year he'll never win it ..
I don't believe in Sastre .. But I hope he can do something .. |
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:06
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Wyman wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
A_Schleck dont talk about A. Schleck..he want to keep this talks for the tour.. Andy boy has few years..and then he has possible grand tour winner type. Who can mess up Bruyneel general plan.
I don't think A. Schleck can win Le Tour this year, in fact, I'm certain he won't. Carlos Sastre on the other hand is one of the rider I think has what it takes to win Le Tour this year. The other is Evans of course. I think the win will be decided between these two riders. But Andy could win the U25 jersey though
if sastre wins the tour de france i will eat my shoe
He is the only rider I can come up with who has chance of beating Evans, because Valverde and Cunego certainly won't.
Oh sorry I completely forgot about Menchov. He will be very strong this year no doubt.
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:07
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A_Schleck wrote:
rovven7 wrote:
Four years ago when he won The giro nobody said about Cunego that he's a classics ryder. Now you jump on to conclusions. They say this Cunego is that 2004 Cunego, and if you wanna decide it, just wait for the Tour de France. It's only his 3rd day of racing after the long break. You can't judge Cunego, Evans, Valverde and all this guys by this form. If you were, Lance wouldn't have won the tour 7 times in a row, Landis wouldn't been so good in 2006 Tour and so on.
And by the way, there's no way Frank Schleck is a better stage racer than Cunego. If there's a doubt about Cunego's statute, there isn't about Frank's. He is a Classic ryder. His brother, Andy, though, may be a better stage racer than Cunego. And just to remind you, 2004 Cunego couldn't TT, this one does, and it does pretty well. In the Vuelta a Pais Vasco TT, on the second section of the race, which was a flat one, gained time on Thomas Dekker, coming in third place just before the third section.
You're basing your arguments on Cunego being a better TTist than in 2004 on a very slim background. The fact that he gained on Dekker after the climb in the Basque Tour, can be due to many, many reasons, none of these reasons are that he is a better time trialist. I'm basing my opinion on how Cunego has been riding in the Giro after he won it and he has been riding like that ever since, so I don't see how he can suddenly come in and win Le Tour, it's just not going to happen. Believe you me.
He is defintely a better TT:er than 2004. Last year in the tour he rode a pretty good TT, which he had never done before.
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:08
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A_Schleck wrote:
Wyman wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
A_Schleck dont talk about A. Schleck..he want to keep this talks for the tour.. Andy boy has few years..and then he has possible grand tour winner type. Who can mess up Bruyneel general plan.
I don't think A. Schleck can win Le Tour this year, in fact, I'm certain he won't. Carlos Sastre on the other hand is one of the rider I think has what it takes to win Le Tour this year. The other is Evans of course. I think the win will be decided between these two riders. But Andy could win the U25 jersey though
if sastre wins the tour de france i will eat my shoe
He is the only rider I can come up with who has chance of beating Evans, because Valverde and Cunego certainly won't.
Oh sorry I completely forgot about Menchov. He will be very strong this year no doubt.
i cant pick a winner yet anything can happen we'll see in the 2nd week who will be up there
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:10
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Wow, the Tour de France has gone and taken over another topic - perhaps someone should go make a proper 'Tour de France 2008' topic
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:10
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Which riders will Saniuer Duval have in TdF? de La Fuente, cobo and marchante? |
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:12
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TdF hasn't been this open for a long time now .. For once it's very difficult to name a favorite who's better than all the rest..
It will definitely be exciting .. Samuel Sanchez didn't look that good in Dauphine Libere.. Why is he the captain for Euskaltel .. Why not Zubeldia .. ?  |
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:16
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mattiasgt wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
rovven7 wrote:
Four years ago when he won The giro nobody said about Cunego that he's a classics ryder. Now you jump on to conclusions. They say this Cunego is that 2004 Cunego, and if you wanna decide it, just wait for the Tour de France. It's only his 3rd day of racing after the long break. You can't judge Cunego, Evans, Valverde and all this guys by this form. If you were, Lance wouldn't have won the tour 7 times in a row, Landis wouldn't been so good in 2006 Tour and so on.
And by the way, there's no way Frank Schleck is a better stage racer than Cunego. If there's a doubt about Cunego's statute, there isn't about Frank's. He is a Classic ryder. His brother, Andy, though, may be a better stage racer than Cunego. And just to remind you, 2004 Cunego couldn't TT, this one does, and it does pretty well. In the Vuelta a Pais Vasco TT, on the second section of the race, which was a flat one, gained time on Thomas Dekker, coming in third place just before the third section.
You're basing your arguments on Cunego being a better TTist than in 2004 on a very slim background. The fact that he gained on Dekker after the climb in the Basque Tour, can be due to many, many reasons, none of these reasons are that he is a better time trialist. I'm basing my opinion on how Cunego has been riding in the Giro after he won it and he has been riding like that ever since, so I don't see how he can suddenly come in and win Le Tour, it's just not going to happen. Believe you me.
He is defintely a better TT:er than 2004. Last year in the tour he rode a pretty good TT, which he had never done before.
That was in 2006 and it was on the last time trial, where everyone is dead-beat, so you can't really compare it to anything. Just look at the final time trial in last year's Giro, where he was utter rubbish.
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Posted on 15-06-2008 18:20
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A_Schleck wrote:
rovven7 wrote:
Four years ago when he won The giro nobody said about Cunego that he's a classics ryder. Now you jump on to conclusions. They say this Cunego is that 2004 Cunego, and if you wanna decide it, just wait for the Tour de France. It's only his 3rd day of racing after the long break. You can't judge Cunego, Evans, Valverde and all this guys by this form. If you were, Lance wouldn't have won the tour 7 times in a row, Landis wouldn't been so good in 2006 Tour and so on.
And by the way, there's no way Frank Schleck is a better stage racer than Cunego. If there's a doubt about Cunego's statute, there isn't about Frank's. He is a Classic ryder. His brother, Andy, though, may be a better stage racer than Cunego. And just to remind you, 2004 Cunego couldn't TT, this one does, and it does pretty well. In the Vuelta a Pais Vasco TT, on the second section of the race, which was a flat one, gained time on Thomas Dekker, coming in third place just before the third section.
You're basing your arguments on Cunego being a better TTist than in 2004 on a very slim background. The fact that he gained on Dekker after the climb in the Basque Tour, can be due to many, many reasons, none of these reasons are that he is a better time trialist. I'm basing my opinion on how Cunego has been riding in the Giro after he won it and he has been riding like that ever since, so I don't see how he can suddenly come in and win Le Tour, it's just not going to happen. Believe you me.
That was just an argument. He did a couple of good Flat Time trails since then, including the 2006 TT when he only lost 3 seconds to Evans, for example.I'm not saying he's the best, i'm not saying he's the main favourite for this years Tour de France. I'm just saying that once you win a Grand Tour, it IS possible to do it again. Just wait the Tour. And, also, it's kinda funny to say he's a classic ryder when all he's got best is his recovery skill; he's one of the best in this category, alongside Samuel Sanchez. He got some good results in the classics because of his good sprint . He still has to prove that climbing skill that got him the nickname Il Piccolo Principe. |
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Posted on 15-06-2008 19:20
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Cunego lost time on the flat part on Dekker, so the whole argument is bullshit
Up until the 2nd checkpoint, the Pais Vasco TT was uphill. The first checkpoint was after the very steep part.
In the final 13 flat kilometers of that TT, Dekker was faster than everyone, including Contador, Evans and Cunego. In the last part Dekker won back 7 second son Contador, 13 on Evans and almost 30 on Cunego....
It was on the climb Cunego gained a lot of time after the steep part, between checkpoint 1 and 2
Next time, get your facts straight rovven. 
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Posted on 15-06-2008 19:45
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Ruben wrote:
Cunego lost time on the flat part on Dekker, so the whole argument is bullshit
Up until the 2nd checkpoint, the Pais Vasco TT was uphill. The first checkpoint was after the very steep part.
In the final 13 flat kilometers of that TT, Dekker was faster than everyone, including Contador, Evans and Cunego. In the last part Dekker won back 7 second son Contador, 13 on Evans and almost 30 on Cunego....
It was on the climb Cunego gained a lot of time after the steep part, between checkpoint 1 and 2
Next time, get your facts straight rovven.
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Posted on 15-06-2008 19:47
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I did, i remember very well Cunego rolling on a flat part, then going into a roundabout and then to the checkpoint, being faster then Dekker. It is that 1 km uphill part in the final where Cunego lost time. And i won't go anywhere further with this. |
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Posted on 15-06-2008 19:49
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you shouldnt go any further rovven because ruben will blast you out of the water - wether he's right or not
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Posted on 15-06-2008 20:01
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
you shouldnt go any further rovven because ruben will blast you out of the water - wether he's right or not
Hehe don't be afraid of him 
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Posted on 15-06-2008 21:30
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Just look at the profile of the Vuelta Pais Vasco TT, that roundabout was just at the top of the climb... the climb was steep the first 4km, then a checkpoint, then 3km at 3/4%
Get your facts right once again. The second checkpoint was at 7km, the finish was at 20km. Cunego was faster at checkpoint 2. But at the finish, he was suddenly much slower... Why? Because the final 13km were flat..duh |
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Posted on 15-06-2008 21:33
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To be fair, you're both wrong
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