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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 29-08-2014 09:04
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Arberg27 wrote:
1. Valverde more hill than Rodriguez. Rodriguez 81.
2. Hill: Froome 79, Contador 79, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3. Sagan down in acceleration and sprint, he cannot win in real life!
4. Rasmus Quaade is clear the best danish time trial rider.
1.- NO, Valverde wins in Ardennes, but Rodriguez wins in hilly stages, so both 82 or even 83
2.- For me: 80-79 Nibali (he wins in hilly stages), 78 Contador, 77 Quintana and Froome
3.- NO...
4.- Maybe...
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| matt17br |
Posted on 29-08-2014 11:27
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What about Tvetcov?
You said you put him on 72 in the update. But he is on 68 (tt). You only updated MO... He deserves 72 tt. |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 29-08-2014 11:42
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MARSUPILAMI wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
1. Valverde more hill than Rodriguez. Rodriguez 81.
2. Hill: Froome 79, Contador 79, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3. Sagan down in acceleration and sprint, he cannot win in real life!
4. Rasmus Quaade is clear the best danish time trial rider.
1.- NO, Valverde wins in Ardennes, but Rodriguez wins in hilly stages, so both 82 or even 83
2.- For me: 80-79 Nibali (he wins in hilly stages), 78 Contador, 77 Quintana and Froome
3.- NO...
4.- Maybe...
In agreement with you, Nibali won stage 2 in the tour de france, that was a hilly stage if I ever saw one.
Also on a different note, isn't that finish rider on fdj, Jussi Veikkanen isn't he a lead-out man for fdj's sprinters , rather than a puncheur, which is what the database says. I always see him at the back on the climbs???
Edited by trekbmc on 29-08-2014 11:45
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| Maddox |
Posted on 29-08-2014 12:34
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Maddox wrote:
matt17br wrote:
De Buyst overall upgrade (mainly focused on SP guy)
FL:69
SP:70
ACC:71
END:69
RES:68
REC:66
HIL:67
PO:5/6
I interviewed Jasper De Buyst in Denmark at Post Danmark Rundt (and also Cort, Riis, Boaro, Ciolek and so on but that's another story) where he came in 2nd in the first stage and he's a really cool guy.
My feeling is that he has a big talent and he will be a great rider in the future - no doubt about that.
Interesting, had that feeling, good that other people confirm this.[/quote]
He should chance his name to De Beast instead of De Buyst  |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 29-08-2014 12:35
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He should chance his name to De Beast instead of De Buyst
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 29-08-2014 13:18
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Arberg27 wrote:
Froome is equally injured after all his crash, 1 Dauphine, 4 TDF and 1 a few days before the Vuelta.
NOPE Contador had a hurt leg unlike Froome who could still train indoors so the Brit's in better shape |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-08-2014 16:02
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matt17br wrote:
What about Tvetcov?
You said you put him on 72 in the update. But he is on 68 (tt). You only updated MO... He deserves 72 tt.
We put his MO to 72 yes. We also updated his TT, but 72TT is overreacting if you ask me. After a second look, I agree that he could be put to 70 at least though. Keep in mind that the USAPCC was more or less a mountain TT
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| matt17br |
Posted on 29-08-2014 20:42
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Jesleyh wrote:
matt17br wrote:
What about Tvetcov?
You said you put him on 72 in the update. But he is on 68 (tt). You only updated MO... He deserves 72 tt.
We put his MO to 72 yes. We also updated his TT, but 72TT is overreacting if you ask me. After a second look, I agree that he could be put to 70 at least though. Keep in mind that the USAPCC was more or less a mountain TT
I wasn't referring to that TT. He was great at the WC ITT, too and in the other CT races
My point is that Oyarzun, another CT rider has 72. He finished 26th in WC ITT and 6th at Chrono des Nations. Tvetcov, I don't remember perfectly but I think 30th. So at least 71tt-69prl
Another suggestion:
Degand +4 TT and prl, is a good TTist and he proved it.
Formolo +3 PRL
Cattaneo +3 PRL
P.S. I often update the big post with all my suggestion to don't write too much posts. I update it 4/5 times a day.
Edited by matt17br on 29-08-2014 20:49
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 30-08-2014 07:27
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MARSUPILAMI wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
1. Valverde more hill than Rodriguez. Rodriguez 81.
2. Hill: Froome 79, Contador 79, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3. Sagan down in acceleration and sprint, he cannot win in real life!
4. Rasmus Quaade is clear the best danish time trial rider.
1.- NO, Valverde wins in Ardennes, but Rodriguez wins in hilly stages, so both 82 or even 83
2.- For me: 80-79 Nibali (he wins in hilly stages), 78 Contador, 77 Quintana and Froome
3.- NO...
4.- Maybe...
1: Valverde has won all direct duel versus Rodriguez in year. D.Martin earned and had the same as Rodriguez.
2: Nibali won because of his skills on the descent. Upwards hills is Contador stronger than Nibali, see stage 8. For me: Contador 79, Froome 79/78, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3: He is not so quick, 79/83 is overrated.
4. He is much better than Fuglsang and was sixth fastest to World Championships.
Edited by Arberg27 on 30-08-2014 07:29
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| Cycleman123 |
Posted on 30-08-2014 07:44
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Arberg27 wrote:
MARSUPILAMI wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
1. Valverde more hill than Rodriguez. Rodriguez 81.
2. Hill: Froome 79, Contador 79, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3. Sagan down in acceleration and sprint, he cannot win in real life!
4. Rasmus Quaade is clear the best danish time trial rider.
1.- NO, Valverde wins in Ardennes, but Rodriguez wins in hilly stages, so both 82 or even 83
2.- For me: 80-79 Nibali (he wins in hilly stages), 78 Contador, 77 Quintana and Froome
3.- NO...
4.- Maybe...
1: Valverde has won all direct duel versus Rodriguez in year. D.Martin earned and had the same as Rodriguez.
2: Nibali won because of his skills on the descent. Upwards hills is Contador stronger than Nibali, see stage 8. For me: Contador 79, Froome 79/78, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3: He is not so quick, 79/83 is overrated.
4. He is much better than Fuglsang and was sixth fastest to World Championships.
1. Valverde should be 82, Rodriguez 81
2. Nibali 79, Contador 78, Quintana 78, Froome 77
3. 78/81
4. Yeah I guess.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 30-08-2014 09:09
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What about Guardini on 77 sp? |
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| Dusen |
Posted on 30-08-2014 11:00
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I think Zoidl should get a -1 in MO. Looking at the guys at 74 MO i just think it is wrong that he is supposed to be better than them  |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 30-08-2014 17:19
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Dusen wrote:
I think Zoidl should get a -1 in MO. Looking at the guys at 74 MO i just think it is wrong that he is supposed to be better than them
+1, he really did nothing this year. |
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| Dancycling |
Posted on 31-08-2014 08:41
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Cycleman123 wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
MARSUPILAMI wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
1. Valverde more hill than Rodriguez. Rodriguez 81.
2. Hill: Froome 79, Contador 79, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3. Sagan down in acceleration and sprint, he cannot win in real life!
4. Rasmus Quaade is clear the best danish time trial rider.
1.- NO, Valverde wins in Ardennes, but Rodriguez wins in hilly stages, so both 82 or even 83
2.- For me: 80-79 Nibali (he wins in hilly stages), 78 Contador, 77 Quintana and Froome
3.- NO...
4.- Maybe...
1: Valverde has won all direct duel versus Rodriguez in year. D.Martin earned and had the same as Rodriguez.
2: Nibali won because of his skills on the descent. Upwards hills is Contador stronger than Nibali, see stage 8. For me: Contador 79, Froome 79/78, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3: He is not so quick, 79/83 is overrated.
4. He is much better than Fuglsang and was sixth fastest to World Championships.
1. Valverde should be 82, Rodriguez 81
2. Nibali 79, Contador 78, Quintana 78, Froome 77
3. 78/81
4. Yeah I guess.
1. Rodriguez's season this year was full with injuries. You should wait to see how he does at Il Lombardia but IMO Valverde isn't at all stronger.
2. Nibali is the only of the big four mountain guys who has ever done okay at the Ardennes or any hilly classic. He should be better than the others at hills whilst Contador is next as he performs the best in hilly stages. Nibali: 79 Contador: 79 with lower stamina, Froome: 78 and Quintana 77.
3. Yes. Definitely. Considering that Modolo was downgraded and he, IMO, is a much stronger sprinter than Sagan.
4. Not too sure. Has he done much since last years world champs. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 31-08-2014 09:08
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There should really be a discussion about Sagan's sprint stat.
I'm for a 78.50.
We should really think about it.
78/83 should suit perfectly, though. His acc stat will completely compense his sp stat. |
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| jumbobogen |
Posted on 31-08-2014 09:13
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MARSUPILAMI wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
1. Valverde more hill than Rodriguez. Rodriguez 81.
2. Hill: Froome 79, Contador 79, Nibali 78 and Quintana 77.
3. Sagan down in acceleration and sprint, he cannot win in real life!
4. Rasmus Quaade is clear the best danish time trial rider.
1.- NO, Valverde wins in Ardennes, but Rodriguez wins in hilly stages, so both 82 or even 83
2.- For me: 80-79 Nibali (he wins in hilly stages), 78 Contador, 77 Quintana and Froome
3.- NO...
4.- Maybe...
I totally agree with Arberg27 Quaade is the best Danish TT rider
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| Dancycling |
Posted on 31-08-2014 10:43
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matt17br wrote:
There should really be a discussion about Sagan's sprint stat.
I'm for a 78.50.
We should really think about it.
78/83 should suit perfectly, though. His acc stat will completely compense his sp stat.
I would give Sagan 77/85. His acceleration means he can place well but his sprint stat would ensire he doesn't win. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 31-08-2014 10:46
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Dancycling wrote:
matt17br wrote:
There should really be a discussion about Sagan's sprint stat.
I'm for a 78.50.
We should really think about it.
78/83 should suit perfectly, though. His acc stat will completely compense his sp stat.
I would give Sagan 77/85. His acceleration means he can place well but his sprint stat would ensire he doesn't win.
85 is really too much since sagan competes in cobbles and hilly classics, too.
However 77 is too low. 78-83 suits. |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 31-08-2014 10:50
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| Dancycling |
Posted on 31-08-2014 11:06
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matt17br wrote:
Dancycling wrote:
matt17br wrote:
There should really be a discussion about Sagan's sprint stat.
I'm for a 78.50.
We should really think about it.
78/83 should suit perfectly, though. His acc stat will completely compense his sp stat.
I would give Sagan 77/85. His acceleration means he can place well but his sprint stat would ensire he doesn't win.
85 is really too much since sagan competes in cobbles and hilly classics, too.
However 77 is too low. 78-83 suits.
Sagan still can accelerate very quickly in hills and cobbles. Sure he isn't brilliant at either but he can definitely deliver the fastest. acceleration of anyone. |
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