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Giro d'Italia Week 3
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:06
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baseballlover312 wrote:
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alexkr00 wrote:
I don't think Kelderman had a bad day. I think this is his real level 
Perhaps, but he showed better things yesterday so I'm confident he just had a a bad day.
I agree with Alex. more likely he had a good day yesterday.
You mean had lots of good days in the first 14 stages? 
Most of those were not nearly as selective and he just did well in the final dash.
he remember that's he's dutch which in current times means that you can only do well at times were it doesn't really matter. the first two weeks for GT's for exemple, soccer qualifiers, all rounds except the final during the soccer world cup. stuff like that
edit: Marianne Vos at the worlds was also a good example
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:11
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cactus-jack wrote:
And just you wait untill EBH gets his stage win, we'll crash this forum.
Just a stage win? Man, you guys have gone soft
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:12
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alexkr00 wrote:
I don't think Kelderman had a bad day. I think this is his real level
I agree. I count at least 7 better riders in the mountains.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:13
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cactus-jack wrote:
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alexkr00 wrote:
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I was just kidding. Of course, I don't expect him to Top 3 or so 
Well, you weren't around when the Norwegian fans made all of us dislike Hushovd and Boasson Hagen by constantly telling us how amazing and great they are.
I just want to make sure you and the other Dutch fans don't make the same mistake.
In a way I almost miss them
Decent ride by Hesjedal. Recovered a couple times and in the end leads the big group of GC riders across the line. Quintana doesn't look that great though, and Uran I think has this, unless someone can get serious time on the climbs, which no one has yet.
Quintana has gained 40 seconds on Uran on two stages and he's looking stronger day by day. Besides, Uran didn't look like a bag of fireworks today.
And just you wait untill EBH gets his stage win, we'll crash this forum.
The difference atleast from my view was that Quintana looked okay, and Uran looked bad. Quintana still doesn't look as strong as he was at last years Tour for example. I hope Im wrong though, because I much prefer Quintana who probably needs about 30 seconds on all of the final crucial stages left.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:16
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I think Quintana is still dealing with his illness. He should be even stronger after the rest day.
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| fickman |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:21
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Strydz wrote:
Evans can still finish on the podium, it was flat today with a big climb at the end so wouldn't surprise me if Evans can hang on in the bigger stages. Mind you it also wouldn't surprise if he completely fell to pieces. Uran rode well today, lost time only to Quintana (GC threat) without flat lining, easy to chase then go into the red and lose big time but he just held his own pace. Really looks like we are in for a great end to this race
What ur writing is sort of contradictory  U said it wasnt today a big Stage and still he cracked, how will he manage not to crack in the bigger Stages then???
A great battle for the white Yearsey like last Year Giro 4 riders between 1:14 Minutes thats great I hope Kelderman can hold on just to make this battle to the end interesting although it will be hard 4 the others to kepp the pace with Quintana in the Mountains without the TTT they would be at least 1 Minute behind him already. |
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| Setzel |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:21
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alexkr00 wrote:
I think Quintana is still dealing with his illness. He should be even stronger after the rest day.
Geez last time we had a conversation loong time ago you said you gaved up on stalking riders on their free days ...old habbits eh ? 
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:24
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Setzel wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
I think Quintana is still dealing with his illness. He should be even stronger after the rest day.
Geez last time we had a conversation loong time ago you said you gaved up on stalking riders on their free days ...old habbits eh ?
Well, at least I still take my job seriously. Unlike guys like you, who only show up for the Giro.
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:26
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Praying for a EBH win but I can't see it |
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| ruben |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:43
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so far we've seen different strong riders on every climb. So I really think people should be less definitive in calling out who's the strongest and who's the weakest.. or how many men are stronger than x..
Fex yesterday Pozzovivo was the strongest climber. Now he was one of the weakest.
There is no constant in this Giro so far. Well, Uran seems to be the most consistent in the places he finishes at least. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:54
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ruben wrote:
so far we've seen different strong riders on every climb. So I really think people should be less definitive in calling out who's the strongest and who's the weakest.. or how many men are stronger than x..
Fex yesterday Pozzovivo was the strongest climber. Now he was one of the weakest.
There is no constant in this Giro so far. Well, Uran seems to be the most consistent in the places he finishes at least.
I can also put it differently: I would be VERY surprised if Kelderman consisntly was riding top-5 on MTF's. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:58
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alexkr00 wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
And just you wait untill EBH gets his stage win, we'll crash this forum.
Just a stage win? Man, you guys have gone soft
https://www.pcmdai...rowstart=0
Well, when I say "stage win" ofcourse I mean that he wins by such a margin that everyone else comes outside of the time limit, thus giving him the Giro.
I'm really looking forward to the ITT on wednesday(?), I think a fair amount will be decided on that stage.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 25-05-2014 21:59
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fickman wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Evans can still finish on the podium, it was flat today with a big climb at the end so wouldn't surprise me if Evans can hang on in the bigger stages. Mind you it also wouldn't surprise if he completely fell to pieces. Uran rode well today, lost time only to Quintana (GC threat) without flat lining, easy to chase then go into the red and lose big time but he just held his own pace. Really looks like we are in for a great end to this race
What ur writing is sort of contradictory U said it wasnt today a big Stage and still he cracked, how will he manage not to crack in the bigger Stages then???
Todays stage was flat then they went the climb, I think the pacing on a stage with mulitple big climbs might suit Evans better as it plays into the riders with endurance instead of the explosive climbers, it has worked for a rider like Evans in the past but he isn't the rider he once was so that is why I am a bit each way on his chances to hold onto a podium.
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| ruben |
Posted on 25-05-2014 22:01
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Riis123 wrote:
ruben wrote:
so far we've seen different strong riders on every climb. So I really think people should be less definitive in calling out who's the strongest and who's the weakest.. or how many men are stronger than x..
Fex yesterday Pozzovivo was the strongest climber. Now he was one of the weakest.
There is no constant in this Giro so far. Well, Uran seems to be the most consistent in the places he finishes at least.
I can also put it differently: I would be VERY surprised if Kelderman consisntly was riding top-5 on MTF's. Up until today, he was tho. Which was also a major surprise to me btw.
I already said before the Giro I thought top 10 was a steep goal for him, I thought he'd barely break in top 15 (like monfort or something).
But apart from today, he was always with the best 5 climbers. Which makes me think today was a bad day. And Kelderman himself pretty much says so too.
It'll be pretty interesting to see if it was indeed just a bad day. Or just lack of recuperation, in which he'll have a very tough last week. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 25-05-2014 22:14
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 22:16
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ruben wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
ruben wrote:
so far we've seen different strong riders on every climb. So I really think people should be less definitive in calling out who's the strongest and who's the weakest.. or how many men are stronger than x..
Fex yesterday Pozzovivo was the strongest climber. Now he was one of the weakest.
There is no constant in this Giro so far. Well, Uran seems to be the most consistent in the places he finishes at least.
I can also put it differently: I would be VERY surprised if Kelderman consisntly was riding top-5 on MTF's. Up until today, he was tho. Which was also a major surprise to me btw.
I already said before the Giro I thought top 10 was a steep goal for him, I thought he'd barely break in top 15 (like monfort or something).
But apart from today, he was always with the best 5 climbers. Which makes me think today was a bad day. And Kelderman himself pretty much says so too.
It'll be pretty interesting to see if it was indeed just a bad day. Or just lack of recuperation, in which he'll have a very tough last week.
I know, but to be fair, the first real mountains started yesterday which was the easiest of the remaining. I think its safe to say that the 4 remaining stages will be something completely different than what we have seen the first 2 weeks and thats where I dont think Kelderman can stand the distance. I get your point, but as I stated above, you can really only use the 2 last mountain stages as an indication. I believe that he had a really good day yesterday and a 'normal' day today.
We will known much more in a couple of days, but I simply do not see Kelderman amongst the 5 best climbers in the year Giro and tbh, that's no shame at all. He has done great so far, but I would be very careful to expect much more from him. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 25-05-2014 22:24
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Not the best 5 no, but he should be able to be with the best 10 on a normal day |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 25-05-2014 22:29
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ruben wrote:
Not the best 5 no, but he should be able to be with the best 10 on a normal day
Well, he was in the group spanding from 7th-14th finishing 1th1, so I guess he kinda was?
Anyways, lets wait and see. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 25-05-2014 22:39
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Riis123 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Not the best 5 no, but he should be able to be with the best 10 on a normal day
Well, he was in the group spanding from 7th-14th finishing 1th1, so I guess he kinda was?
Anyways, lets wait and see.
Duarte is as inconsistent as ever tho, and not a regular top 10 climber. Neither are Moreno and Pellizotti, they dissappointed in all other uphill finishes.
So from the real GC riders left, he's still with the best 8. Rolland is a threat tho. But I can't see Kiserlovski, Poels, Hesjedal, Basso etc passing im unless he has a REAL off-day (as in, losing 5 minutes or more) |
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 26-05-2014 01:32
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ianrussell wrote:
That stage in 1998 was also much harder, with climbs before the final ascent.
Wonderful stage. A lot of guys still in the mix to play their part in the final result of the tour. Great to see. |
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