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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-02-2008 07:54
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Levi4life wrote:
Now the more pressing Question. Who will be riding the tour with a chance to win? Who is left if you take Kloden, Levi, and Contador out? Cadel and a bunch of SPANISH riders. This years Tour is going to suck balls. No competitors. You'll always have a winner, given at least one rider finishes the race. So, unless one rider is much stronger than GC n°2 and n°3 you'll get a fight for the first place. The weaker (this is very relative) the winner, the most competitors for the final win.
I'm almost certain this won't be any more boring without Astana.
dave92 wrote:
Trust me, for the informed viewer in the U.S they will enjoy Slipstream''s attacking, and strong showings in the TT's. With no time bonuses Millar or Dave Z have a chance at Yellow after the 1st TT. Look for Danny Pate to be one of the most combative riders  . Evans has to be the favorite IMO, but it should be an interesting race. I'd like to see Barloworld in, and they probably will be. Agritubel is the only non PT French team that should be in there thoguh. Agree, except for Barloworld. 
Edited by Aquarius on 14-02-2008 07:55
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-02-2008 08:04
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Who wants bad news? I've got bad news!
Cordero says Astana will be invited to the Vuelta 
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| rodda |
Posted on 14-02-2008 08:12
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Levi4life wrote:
Now the more pressing Question. Who will be riding the tour with a chance to win? Who is left if you take Kloden, Levi, and Contador out? Cadel and a bunch of SPANISH riders. This years Tour is going to suck balls. No competitors.
cunego, schleck popovych so on...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-02-2008 09:17
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It's going to be a very exciting Tour - and a very "open" one. I'm looking very much forward to that. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 14-02-2008 10:18
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CrueTrue wrote:
and a very "open" one..
All the tours without Armstrong have been "open"
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 14-02-2008 12:09
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Waghlon wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
and a very "open" one..
All the tours without Armstrong have been "open"
Yeah, open to drugs cheats and scandal |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-02-2008 14:58
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mrlol wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
mrlol wrote:
they will lose there Pro Tour licence, and so lose there sponsors so even more teams will dissapear... complete disaster for the cycling world. Lose the sponsor because they participate in the Tour de France ?  Could you write that again please ?
if the TDF will become illegal, yes. please read the posts above mine before reacting like this. TDF will be held, no matter that it's related to UCI or not. Which league do you think riders and sponsors would chose to be in, if there were two ones like IRL and ChampCar ? The one with TDF, ASO races, and probably some more prestigious races or the "official" one organised by the UCI, with the marvelous Pro Tour Down Under event ?
Being a member of the Pro Tour (having a PT licence) is meaningless if you can't take part in famous races. Losing it wouldn't harm cycling teams much... |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-02-2008 15:37
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Aquarius, you still need to read his previous posts. You two agree |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-02-2008 16:06
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ok..why american forum members are so desperate after Astana..Levi dont ride..
There is lot of fun left..belive me.
Levi should sign with Slipstream..why he need to follow Bruyneel
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 14-02-2008 16:33
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Aquarius wrote:
Levi4life wrote:
I don't like what you are insinuating CrueTrue. Levi has always raced clean. If he doped prove it. Is it any convincing to say that Levi belongs to the few riders who can develop superhuman powers (wattages) in the mountains but who've not been caught (yet, hopefully).
Statistically, and from a physiological point of view, Leipheimer, like his Astana fellow leaders (Klöden, Contador, Savoldelli), and some more riders, are likely doped riders.
That doesn't mean to be a proofs, but strong indications nonetheless.
Likely doped huh? Just because all french riders suck donkey balls they don't dope?
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| fefj |
Posted on 14-02-2008 16:35
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Guido Mukk wrote:
why he need to follow Bruyneel
That is actually an extremely good question. And the main reason why i am suspicious about Levi and Contador. |
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| Macquet |
Posted on 14-02-2008 17:10
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fefj wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
why he need to follow Bruyneel
That is actually an extremely good question. And the main reason why i am suspicious about Levi and Contador.
Perhaps because he is a good manager, perhaps they liked riding together....
Discovery was so good, not because they were doping, but because they worked harder as a team to accomplish one thing, win the TdF....Whether it was the technology(some of the best bikes in the world) the testing(first to use wind tunnel testing for all riders to optimize positions) or just plain hard work training for a few specific races.... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-02-2008 17:23
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Macquet wrote:
fefj wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
why he need to follow Bruyneel
That is actually an extremely good question. And the main reason why i am suspicious about Levi and Contador.
Perhaps because he is a good manager, perhaps they liked riding together....
Of that I have no doubt. they know that with him they can win.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-02-2008 18:06
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Do you think that Levi has given up..to be TdF winner..
he is happy with he's nr. 2 position..even now if they have Klöden..not shure about that eather.
Bruyneel knows the secrets ..looks he's improvments after Gerolsteiner (specialy in TdF).
I'd like to speculate..
who was actualy Disco leader when 2007 TdF started..?
Edited by Guido Mukk on 14-02-2008 18:09
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-02-2008 18:10
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Bruyneel knows the secrets ..looks he's improvments after Gerolsteiner (specialy in TdF).
Gerolsteiner? What do you mean?
Guido Mukk wrote:
I'd like to speculate..
who was actualy Disco leader when 2007 TdF started..?
Officially Leipheimer, in practice, who knows.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-02-2008 18:20
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issoisso wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Bruyneel knows the secrets ..looks he's improvments after Gerolsteiner (specialy in TdF).
Gerolsteiner? What do you mean?
Levi after Gerolsteiner (12. at GC)..2007 peak a little to late..to take max. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-02-2008 18:23
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well, I think that was a bit of an anomaly. Leipheimer spent half the 2006 Tour with dyarrhea. He got some stomach infection the day before the first time trial.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 14-02-2008 18:25
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issoisso wrote:
Leipheimer spent half the 2006 Tour with dyarrhea.
So did i for some reason... No, that had no content whatsoever, but i had to mention it
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-02-2008 18:26
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Waghlon wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Leipheimer spent half the 2006 Tour with dyarrhea.
So did i for some reason... No, that had no content whatsoever, but i had to mention it
Thank you for that wonderful mental picture
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 14-02-2008 18:31
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CrueTrue wrote:
For the sport's sake you just can't keep on having all these "potential" dopers in the Tour. At some point, they will be caught - especially with the latest's years intensivement of the doping chase. Can you imagine the frontpages of all large newspapers around Europe and the US when Contador is caught? Last year's winer... Another huge blow to the sport.
Therefore, it's better just to exclude those who are most likely to be caught. Besides, if Leipheimer is clean he wouldn't mind riding for Slipstream
Potential doper?
Isn't every rider a potential doper?
I honestly believe 90% of the riders at that level are doping, including ALL of the top 5 finishers and probably top 10. I think it's very selective reasoning.
What happens if Valverde gets caught? Evans? Why not exclude them too?
Arguing to kick out "potential" dopers is like the US attacking Iraq because they were a "potential" threat. It's a stupid way to run a sport, and a stupid way to run a country. |
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