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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 20-09-2013 06:15
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issoisso wrote:
The TTT - The one thing in cycling I find boring
+1 It is like watching the train going all the way from Kalkota to London.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 20-09-2013 07:27
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| Cossack |
Posted on 20-09-2013 08:48
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MrTeamSky wrote:
I reckon they should get rid of TT and Team TT because they should just be for Track cycling,
Don't you see the difference between road and track? I mean wind, track is perfectly flat, changing weather etc.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-09-2013 12:01
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MrTeamSky wrote:
I reckon they should get rid of TT and Team TT because they should just be for Track cycling,
What? The TT is the only way we have of knowing who is the strongest individual in a race over a given distance. Not only that but it is the part of the sport that most requires dedicated training and technical work. TTs are thus important for GCs as they are the purest way of determining who is strongest and the technically best cyclist.
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I wouldn't say strongest. I believe best would suit better. The result is not always similar to riders sorted by power (over a given length). The frontal surface (which comes down to rider's position and bike quality) is more important. Knowledge of the course is as well. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2013 12:23
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
issoisso wrote:
The TTT - The one thing in cycling I find boring
+1 It is like watching the train going all the way from Kalkota to London.
I don't see any difference, in terms of excitingness, between a ITT and a TTT. I like both, btw.
I do think that commercial teams don't have a place in the Worlds, though. I'd much rather see it as a national teams race.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-09-2013 12:26
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True, but I guess the reason, besides commercial ones, is that it takes quite a lot of common practice to be efficient, to define orders in the relays, etc. Something national teams don't really have time for. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 20-09-2013 15:14
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547984 wrote:
They could make them more interesting by adding more time checks and making more hill TT's like the one in the TDF this year. Up until the end it was very exciting.
The Australian ITT WC had a great idea putting each rider on a GPS map with Google Earth that showed where they were out on course. It is really simple for them to do and I don't know why others haven't done this. It also combined this with live GPS time gaps for 4 riders at a time. It made it much more interesting to follow.
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 20-09-2013 16:12
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Dowsett, Fenn and Rowe miss out from the GB pre-selection.
The eight selected are Cavendish, Cummings, Edmondson, Froome, Stannard, Thomas, Tiernan-Locke and Wiggins. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 20-09-2013 17:13
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-09-2013 20:02
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I guess I'm the only one who finds TT's interesting. In a TT there's always happening something, every (few) minute(s) a rider/team finishes and there are always two fights, one for the stage win and one for the GC. Time differences are always assured.
In some "normal" stages though you have to wait for the sprint/final climb for action to take place. That's boring.
TTTs suck to play in PCM though.
Edited by fosforgasXIII on 20-09-2013 20:03
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| Selwink |
Posted on 20-09-2013 20:07
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Radioshack
Cancellara
Irizar
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 20-09-2013 20:10
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Cancellara's to make all 3 WC? Does he want it all? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-09-2013 21:23
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
I guess I'm the only one who finds TT's interesting. In a TT there's always happening something, every (few) minute(s) a rider/team finishes and there are always two fights, one for the stage win and one for the GC. Time differences are always assured.
In some "normal" stages though you have to wait for the sprint/final climb for action to take place. That's boring.
TTTs suck to play in PCM though.
Don't get me wrong, I like the effort and have the greatest respect for specialists.
My point was more that even though there's one rider starting every one, two or three minutes, there's very few things that actually happen. It's riders riding one by one, no direct competition a pace as steady as possible, etc. Not really the most entertaining thing you could think of. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 20-09-2013 21:24
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The only fun thing about TT's: Froome's bike position. Makes me laugh for hours. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 20-09-2013 21:30
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Miguel98 wrote:
The only fun thing about TT's: Froome's bike position. Makes me laugh for hours.
No, only until he finishes. Then his ridiculously good result makes me cry for hours.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 20-09-2013 21:32
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cio93 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
The only fun thing about TT's: Froome's bike position. Makes me laugh for hours.
No, only until he finishes. Then his ridiculously good result makes me cry for hours.
Oh yeah. Thanks for fixing it. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 20-09-2013 21:38
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Miguel98 wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
The only fun thing about TT's: Froome's bike position. Makes me laugh for hours.
No, only until he finishes. Then his ridiculously good result makes me cry for hours.
Oh yeah. Thanks for fixing it.
It would be nice though if it would last for hours
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-09-2013 22:25
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On the subject of TT, perhpas somebody more clever than me could help me figure out how guys like Honchar in the past, or more recently Grabsch manage to be quite good whilst pulling very big gears ?
It's an approach that sounds totally contradictory. Given that power is the product of strength and velocity (number of RPM), increasing both seems the most reasonable thing to do. Lowering RPM by, say, 30 % is putting the burden of power mostly on pure muscular strength, which usually causes a quick destruction of muscular fibers and can't be sustained for a long period of time.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 20-09-2013 23:03
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Aquarius wrote:
On the subject of TT, perhpas somebody more clever than me could help me figure out how guys like Honchar in the past, or more recently Grabsch manage to be quite good whilst pulling very big gears ?
It's an approach that sounds totally contradictory. Given that power is the product of strength and velocity (number of RPM), increasing both seems the most reasonable thing to do. Lowering RPM by, say, 30 % is putting the burden of power mostly on pure muscular strength, which usually causes a quick destruction of muscular fibers and can't be sustained for a long period of time.
Doping 
No seriously I have no idea. I find it weird that riders with high RPM during TTs seem to go the fastest, but actually they do slow TTs, while riders who look slow are the ones with top times. Except for Froome, during the Tour TT it looked like he was sprinting from the saddle and he got the 2nd best time.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2013 23:34
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Small energy saving from not having to accelerate/slow down your legs so violently + for as yet unknown reasons (there are theories, but none is accepted as definitive) a bigger gear helps keep your heart rate lower
The bigger question is how the hell was Gonchar fast with the position he had.
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