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The Giro, but different.. FINISHED
fcancellara
Movistar!

Valverde wins the stage and Quintana now wears white! Grin

Only bad thing about the stage is that Intxausti lost almost 7 minutes :lol:
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Contador seems ready!
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
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Preview

Stage 8



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Description:

Today we probably have the first important stage for the general. The stage is an individual time trial, with a length of about 55kms. The race is quite hilly, but the specialists will be aiming to win this stage, while the worse time trialists will have to limit their losses and regain time in the mountains.

The favorites

****Tony Martin
***Fabian Cancellara, Christopher Froome
**Bradley Wiggins, Vincenzo Nibali, Alberto Contador
*Tejay van Garderen, Robert Gesink, Cadel Evans, Luis Leon Sanchez

Betting

Deadline: 30th may 2013 0:00PM GMT+1
The odds:
Tony Martin 1.85
Fabian Cancellara 2.00
Christopher Froome 2.45
Bradley Wiggins 2.90
Vincenzo Nibali 3.45
Alberto Contador 4.00
Tejay van Garderen 4.50
Robert Gesink 5.75
Cadel Evans 7.50
Luis Leon Sanchez 9.00
Another rider 5.75
Current bet standings:
Betters:
alex344: 50,05
fcancellara: 38,05
cio93: 28
alex valceanu: 24
Jesleyh: 19,55
krisa: 5
Ian Butler: 4
MitchNL: 4
lakebeach: 4
mvhoogdalem: 3
SS2JLuigi: 2

Non-betters:
fernando97: 47
admirschleck: 39
Pinktay3: 38
Ollfardh: 37
FreitasPCM: 36
TheManxMissile: 34
Bikex: 30
Jakstar22: 29
canojuancho: 29
kadtagenero: 28
Atlantius: 25
The others: 24
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Ian Butler
Why the hell does alex344 have 50? Did you get a bet right or what? Pfft how do you do that?!!
 
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Ian Butler wrote:
Why the hell does alex344 have 50? Did you get a bet right or what? Pfft how do you do that?!!


Stage wins, being in breaks, betting correct, he bet 13 points on Sky in the TTT, and Ferrari won etc.
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krisa
Still nothing won
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STAGE 8

Gabicce Mare - Saltara (ITT)


Hello and welcome to the first real important stage in the fight for pink. Today we have a long and difficult ITT, which should set clear differences.

With no75 in the GC to start, the current fastest rider is Ion Izagirre, with a time of 1h35.43.
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A bit later, Larsson beats him with a 1h34.44.
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Former world champion Cancellara is off now.
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The second important rider to start is world champion Tony Martin.
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He is followed by sir Bradley Wiggins.
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A bit further up, we have a new best time. The rider is Alexander Kristoff, with a time of 1h33.26
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So far, Cadel Evans has been disappointing. Lets see what he can do today
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Cancellara is not having a very good Giro so far. At the first time check, he loses 20 seconds to Kristoff.

Next of the prominents is Tejay van Garderen. He was in white when he crashed and is going for revenge.
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Tony Martin is better than everyone so far, taking 9 seconds off Kristoffs time at time check 1.
Wiggins has a real bad giro so far, and at this time check, he even loses 1min19.

Currently 31st in the GC, Vincenzo Nibali sets off to get a good GC.
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Evans loses 31 seconds to Martin at time check 1
Cancellara closes in on Kristoff, currently being 17 seconds down.

At the finish line, Spartacus has taken just 1 second off, making him the current 3rd.
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At time check 2, Martin has increased his lead to a whopping 1min17.
Tejay had already set the 4th time at check 1, 28 seconds lost.

We now reach the top20, with the first rider Nocentini.
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We have a new leader. Martin reached the finish line in a 1h31.58, 1min28 quicker than Kristoff.
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Wiggo cant do well this Giro, losing 3min09 on the line.
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Here is THE favorite for the GC to start: Alberto Contador.
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At time check 2, Evans is 4th, losing 1min30.

The top10 is going as well now. First off is last years winner Hesjedal.
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Next is the no3 and winner of stage 20 of last year: Thomas de Gendt.
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Nibali has passed time check one with a loss of 32 seconds.

Next to start is Robert Gesink.
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Next is Luis Leon Sanchez, the 2nd of Blanco in a sequence of 3.
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Last in this sequence is Bauke Mollema.
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Evans hasnt lost time on the final climb, making him 3rd.
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His teammate Van Garderen sets a 3rd time on the second time check.

First of the top5 to start is Alejandro Valverde.
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Next up is Sergio Henao.
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Cataldo is the next to start.
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Next is no2 of last years Tour de France and current no2 in the GC: Chris Froome.
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The obviously last to start is Maglia Rosa Gilbert.
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At the finish line, Van Garderen is 2nd, 1min25 behind.
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At time check 1, Alberto Contador takes 22 seconds off the time of Martin.
Hesjedal loses just 9 seconds.

Nibali meanwhile has reached check 2. He loses 1min48 there.

Back to time check 1, where De Gendt is 3rd losing 14 seconds.
Gesink loses 24 seconds.
Luis Leon Sanchez takes another 6 seconds off Contadors time.
Mollema looks quite strong at the first check, losing 29 seconds.
Valverde loses 31 seconds at time check 1.

Nibali meanwhile has lost 1min59 at the finish line and it looks like he has a lot of work to do in the mountains.
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Henao loses 49 seconds at check 1.
Cataldo does better, losing 33 seconds.
Chris Froome takes a 31second lead at time check 1!
Gilbert loses 1min10 at this check..

Results at check2:
1. Christopher Froome
2. Alberto Contador @1min05
3. Luis Leon Sanchez @1min10
4. Tony Martin @1min28
5. Ryder Hesjedal @1min41
6. Thomas de Gendt @1min51
7. Robert Gesink @2min16
8. Michele Scarponi @2min18
9. Bauke Mollema @2min24
10. Dario Cataldo @2min33

At the finish line, Contador takes the lead with a 1h31.40
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Hesjedal loses 37 seconds to Contador.
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De Gendt loses 49 seconds to Contador.
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Gesink limits his loss at the finish to Contador to 1min15.
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Luis Leon Sanchez loses just 6 seconds on the line.
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Mollema did fairly well, losing 1min23 to Contador.
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Valverde loses 1min37 to Contador today.
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Henao loses 2min24 to Contador
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Christopher Froome has overtaken Cataldo. He sets the new time to beat at 1h30.34, 1min05 faster than Contador.
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Cataldo loses 2min41 to his leader.
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Gilbert loses 3min19, meaning Froome takes over pink.
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In the GC, Froome holds a 1min20 lead to Contador and 1min21 to Luis Leon Sanchez. Quintana holds white, but Van Garderen is closing in. Sky is the best team, 2 seconds ahead of Blanco.


Stage results:

RankNameTeamTime
1Chris FroomeSky Procycling1h30'34
2Alberto ContadorTeam Saxo - Tinkoff+ 1'06
3Luis León SánchezBlanco Pro Cycling Team+ 1'13
4Tony MartinOmega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team+ 1'24
5Ryder HesjedalGarmin - Sharp+ 1'43
6Thomas De GendtVacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 1'55
7Michele ScarponiLampre - Merida+ 2'19
8Robert GesinkBlanco Pro Cycling Team+ 2'22
9Bauke MollemaBlanco Pro Cycling Team+ 2'30
10Dario CataldoSky Procycling+ 2'41
11Alejandro ValverdeMovistar Team+ 2'44
12Janez BrajkovičAstana Pro Team+ 2'49
13Tejay Van GarderenBMC Racing Team+ 2'50
14Damiano CunegoLampre - Merida+ 2'51
15Alexander KristoffKatusha Team+ 2'52
16Cadel EvansBMC Racing Team+ 2'55
17Niki TerpstraOmega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team+ 3'00
18Roman KreuzigerTeam Saxo - Tinkoff+ 3'03
19Fabian CancellaraRadioShack - Leopard+ 3'09
20Taylor PhinneyBMC Racing Team+ 3'15
Spoiler
21Nairo QuintanaMovistar Team+ 3'18
22Philippe GilbertBMC Racing Team+ 3'20
23Vincenzo NibaliAstana Pro Team+ 3'24
24Lieuwe WestraVacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 3'26
25Sergio HenaoSky Procycling+ 3'30
26Tom DumoulinTeam Argos - Shimano+ 3'32
27Michael RogersTeam Saxo - Tinkoff+ 3'38
28Denis MenchovKatusha Team+ 3'41
29Sylvain ChavanelOmega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team+ 3'43
30Rui CostaMovistar Team+ 3'44
31Daniele BennatiTeam Saxo - Tinkoff+ 3'54
32Domenico PozzovivoAG2R La Mondiale+ 3'58
33Ivan BassoCannondale Pro Cycling+ 4'04
34Daniel MartinGarmin - Sharp+ 4'05
35Tiago MachadoRadioShack - Leopard+ 4'09
36Gustav Erik LarssonIAM Cycling+ 4'10
37Samuel SánchezEuskaltel - Euskadi+ 4'18
38Manuele BoaroTeam Saxo - Tinkoff+ 4'22
39Lars Ytting BakLotto Belisol+ 4'23
40Marco PinottiBMC Racing Teams.t.
41Pieter WeeningOrica - GreenEdges.t.
42Kanstantsin SiutsouSky Procycling+ 4'26
43Vladimir GusevKatusha Teams.t.
44Beñat IntxaustiMovistar Team+ 4'29
45Anthony RouxFDJ+ 4'33
46Tony GallopinRadioShack - Leopard+ 4'34
47Bradley WigginsSky Procyclings.t.
48Andrew TalanskyGarmin - Sharp+ 4'35
49Stefano GarzelliVini Fantini - Selle Italia+ 4'38
50José RujanoVacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 4'42
51John DegenkolbTeam Argos - Shimano+ 4'43
52Wilco KeldermanBlanco Pro Cycling Team+ 4'44
53Mikel AstarlozaEuskaltel - Euskadi+ 4'45
54Tyler FarrarGarmin - Sharps.t.
55Michael MatthewsOrica - GreenEdge+ 4'49
56Daniele RattoCannondale Pro Cycling+ 4'50
57Matthew GossOrica - GreenEdges.t.
58Thomas LöfkvistIAM Cycling+ 4'52
59Jürgen RoelandtsLotto Belisols.t.
60Adam HansenLotto Belisol+ 4'55
61Ramunas NavardauskasGarmin - Sharp+ 4'59
62Rinaldo NocentiniAG2R La Mondiales.t.
63Simon GeschkeTeam Argos - Shimanos.t.
64Franco PellizottiAndroni Giocattoli - Venezuela+ 5'02
65Bart De ClercqLotto Belisol+ 5'04
66Paolo TiralongoAstana Pro Teams.t.
67Robert KiserlovskiRadioShack - Leopard+ 5'06
68Filippo PozzatoLampre - Merida+ 5'08
69Brent BookwalterBMC Racing Teams.t.
70Rigoberto UránSky Procycling+ 5'09
71Johnny HoogerlandVacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
72Ion IzagirreEuskaltel - Euskadis.t.
73Steven KruijswijkBlanco Pro Cycling Team+ 5'12
74Johann TschoppIAM Cycling+ 5'13
75Sandy CasarFDJ+ 5'18
76Hubert DupontAG2R La Mondiale+ 5'20
77Emanuele SellaAndroni Giocattoli - Venezuela+ 5'27
78Sérgio PaulinhoTeam Saxo - Tinkoffs.t.
79Gorka VerdugoEuskaltel - Euskadis.t.
80Fabio DuarteColombia+ 5'29
81Oscar GattoVini Fantini - Selle Italia+ 5'31
82Giampaolo CarusoKatusha Team+ 5'32
83Roberto FerrariLampre - Merida+ 5'35
84Gert SteegmansOmega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team+ 5'38
85Matteo RabottiniVini Fantini - Selle Italia+ 5'40
86Joaquím RodríguezKatusha Teams.t.
87Luke DurbridgeOrica - GreenEdge+ 5'41
88Koen De KortTeam Argos - Shimano+ 5'42
89Tomasz MarczynskiVacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 5'43
90Gianni MeersmanOmega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team+ 5'44
91Fabian WegmannGarmin - Sharp+ 5'46
92Esteban ChavesColombia+ 5'48
93Greg HendersonLotto Belisol+ 5'50
94Jens VoigtRadioShack - Leopard+ 5'51
95Jarlinson PantanoColombia+ 5'52
96Elia VivianiCannondale Pro Cycling+ 5'53
97Mikel NieveEuskaltel - Euskadi+ 5'55
98Johan Le BonFDJ+ 6'00
99Guillaume BonnafondAG2R La Mondiales.t.
100José Joaquín RojasMovistar Teams.t.
101Gorka IzagirreEuskaltel - Euskadi+ 6'01
102Carlos BetancurAG2R La Mondiale+ 6'09
103Mark CavendishOmega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team+ 6'10
104Fabio FellineAndroni Giocattoli - Venezuela+ 6'12
105Tom VeelersTeam Argos - Shimano+ 6'13
106Daniel MorenoKatusha Teams.t.
107Michael AlbasiniOrica - GreenEdge+ 6'20
108André GreipelLotto Belisol+ 6'25
109Damiano CarusoCannondale Pro Cycling+ 6'31
110Borut BožicAstana Pro Team+ 6'34
111Sacha ModoloBardiani Valvole - CSF Inox+ 6'38
112Sylwester SzmydMovistar Team+ 6'39
113Manuel BellettiAG2R La Mondiale+ 6'42
114Mauro SantambrogioVini Fantini - Selle Italia+ 6'48
115Stefano LocatelliBardiani Valvole - CSF Inox+ 6'49
116Fabio TaborreVini Fantini - Selle Italia+ 7'01
117Giacomo NizzoloRadioShack - Leopard+ 7'03
118Juan Manuel GárateBlanco Pro Cycling Teams.t.
119Fumiyuki BeppuOrica - GreenEdge+ 7'13
120Nacer BouhanniFDJ+ 7'17
121Laurent PichonFDJ+ 7'19
122Stefano PirazziBardiani Valvole - CSF Inox+ 7'21
123Guillaume BoivinCannondale Pro Cycling+ 7'23
124Carlos José OchoaAndroni Giocattoli - Venezuela+ 7'25
125Filippo FortinBardiani Valvole - CSF Inox+ 7'36
126Enrico BattaglinBardiani Valvole - CSF Inox+ 7'38
127Romain FeilluVacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 7'53
128Cayetano SarmientoCannondale Pro Cycling+ 7'59
129Andrea GuardiniAstana Pro Team+ 8'02
130Matteo PelucchiIAM Cycling+ 8'13
131Jackson RodríguezAndroni Giocattoli - Venezuela+ 8'14
132Francesco ChicchiVini Fantini - Selle Italia+ 8'32
133Marco BandieraIAM Cycling+ 9'29

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Stage 9



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Description

Today we have the final stage before the rest day. This is not the first stage that looks very suitable to attackers. This stage is also ideal for a puncher who can climb a bit. Once again, we shall see an interesting battle, but probably not for pink.

The favorites

****Alejandro Valverde
***Rinaldo Nocentini, Alberto Contador
**Philippe Gilbert, Samuel Sanchez, Ryder Hesjedal
*Luis Leon Sanchez, Daniel Martin, Sylvain Chavanel, Sergio Henao

Betting

Deadline: 1st june 0:00PM GMT+1
The odds:
Alejandro Valverde 2.05
Rinaldo Nocentini 2.40
Alberto Contador 2.95
Philippe Gilbert 3.50
Samuel Sanchez 3.85
Ryder Hesjedal 4.20
Luis Leon Sanchez 4.75
Daniel Martin 5.50
Sylvain Chavanel 7.25
Sergio Henao 8.00
Another rider 1.85
Betting standings
Betters
alex344: 51,05
fcancellara: 39,05
cio93: 29
alex valceanu: 25
Jesleyh: 14
krisa: 8
SS2JLuigi: 7
Ian Butler: 5
mvhoogdalem: 4
MitchNL: 3
lakebeach: 1
non-betters
fernando97: 48
TheManxMissile: 45
Ollfardh: 44
admirschleck: 40
Pinktay3: 39
FreitasPCM: 37
Bikex: 32
Jakstar22: 30
canojuancho: 30
kadtagenero: 29
Atlantius: 26
The others: 25
Edited by Selwink on 30-05-2013 16:47
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Pellizotti only lost 5 minutes. He WON'T be getting that time back
 
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Jakstar22 wrote:
Pellizotti only lost 5 minutes. He WON'T be getting that time back


I would have gone for stage wins if I were manager of Androni anyway, but what were your expectations of Pellizotti?
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Valverde needs a win here to gain some time back Cool
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Don't know how far Samu is behind in the GC, but losing over 4 minutes in the TT isn't really helping Frown
 
Ollfardh
Wow, that was a lot of time lost for Contador..
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
SSJ2Luigi
Sky is the best team, 2 seconds ahead of Blanco.


Danm you TMM Angry
 
TheManxMissile
Froome the beast!!! That is a strong position... hope he can hold on from there to Brescia
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@fcancellara: Nah, tomorrow is more like stage 7, so only boni
@mvhoogdalem: If he can do a Landis-like attack, everything is possible
@Ollfardh: His terrain is yet to come
SS2JLuigi: Luckily for you, 5 Sky riders have to work, while there are 0 Blancos that have to work
@TMM: The mountains, where Contador is better, are coming up. Still, he is looking good
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Ian Butler
Oh boy, what an obscure giro Pfft
 
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Ian Butler wrote:
Oh boy, what an obscure giro Pfft


What do you mean?
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Selwink wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Oh boy, what an obscure giro Pfft


What do you mean?


Just for us at the Lotto team Pfft
 
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