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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-02-2011 09:42
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jacknic wrote:
Has this been mentioned?
According to Danish newspaper Politiken, there is now a test for blood doping ready for use at the skiing world cup. Our good friend Rasmus Damsgaard helped develope it.
(Link in danish: https://politiken.dk/sport/ECE1202448/...loddoping/)
That's the reason I logged on to PCM.daily this morning 
Please keep in mind, though, that it's not really a test for blood doping - it's a test for plastic components.
Remember when L'Equipe published an article about Contador's urine sample that revealed a high amount of plastic component? Same test, but at that point, it was yet to be validated.
Now it has and is ready to be used at the World Championship in skiing.
Question is whether you can really use that test for detecting blood doping? Isn't it more of an indicator rather than proof? I guess we will know soon.
I also remember reading a news article about retroactive testing for plastic. If that's true -- Contador, be afraid, be very afraid |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 22-02-2011 10:35
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CrueTrue wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Has this been mentioned?
According to Danish newspaper Politiken, there is now a test for blood doping ready for use at the skiing world cup. Our good friend Rasmus Damsgaard helped develope it.
(Link in danish: https://politiken.dk/sport/ECE1202448/...loddoping/)
That's the reason I logged on to PCM.daily this morning
Please keep in mind, though, that it's not really a test for blood doping - it's a test for plastic components.
Remember when L'Equipe published an article about Contador's urine sample that revealed a high amount of plastic component? Same test, but at that point, it was yet to be validated.
Now it has and is ready to be used at the World Championship in skiing.
Question is whether you can really use that test for detecting blood doping? Isn't it more of an indicator rather than proof? I guess we will know soon.
I also remember reading a news article about retroactive testing for plastic. If that's true -- Contador, be afraid, be very afraid
I think if they put this test to use at a World Championship it must mean that the test can legally be used to prove blood doping. Now if the retroactive testing is to be done it could seriously wreak havoc in all of sports. Not only in cycling. First persons blood I'd test: Lance Armstrong, the Contador and the the Schlecks.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-02-2011 11:28
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CrueTrue wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Has this been mentioned?
According to Danish newspaper Politiken, there is now a test for blood doping ready for use at the skiing world cup. Our good friend Rasmus Damsgaard helped develope it.
(Link in danish: https://politiken.dk/sport/ECE1202448/...loddoping/)
That's the reason I logged on to PCM.daily this morning
Please keep in mind, though, that it's not really a test for blood doping - it's a test for plastic components.
Remember when L'Equipe published an article about Contador's urine sample that revealed a high amount of plastic component? Same test, but at that point, it was yet to be validated.
Now it has and is ready to be used at the World Championship in skiing.
Question is whether you can really use that test for detecting blood doping? Isn't it more of an indicator rather than proof? I guess we will know soon.
I also remember reading a news article about retroactive testing for plastic. If that's true -- Contador, be afraid, be very afraid Yeah, well, he'll suddenly remember that he was so hungry that he ate the packaging with the contaminated steak, nothing unusual there.  |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 22-02-2011 11:51
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CrueTrue wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Has this been mentioned?
According to Danish newspaper Politiken, there is now a test for blood doping ready for use at the skiing world cup. Our good friend Rasmus Damsgaard helped develope it.
(Link in danish: https://politiken.dk/sport/ECE1202448/...loddoping/)
That's the reason I logged on to PCM.daily this morning
Please keep in mind, though, that it's not really a test for blood doping - it's a test for plastic components.
Remember when L'Equipe published an article about Contador's urine sample that revealed a high amount of plastic component? Same test, but at that point, it was yet to be validated.
Now it has and is ready to be used at the World Championship in skiing.
Question is whether you can really use that test for detecting blood doping? Isn't it more of an indicator rather than proof? I guess we will know soon.
I also remember reading a news article about retroactive testing for plastic. If that's true -- Contador, be afraid, be very afraid
Is it possible to get plastic components in your blood by other ways than transfusions? If it is not or very unlikely then I guess it could be used as proof.
EDIT: I read the article now. It look like it says that the test i made on the urin and not the blood. Then the possiblity of getting it with food must exist, hence it can't be used as proof.
Edited by mattiasgt on 22-02-2011 11:59
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-02-2011 11:59
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mattiasgt wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Has this been mentioned?
According to Danish newspaper Politiken, there is now a test for blood doping ready for use at the skiing world cup. Our good friend Rasmus Damsgaard helped develope it.
(Link in danish: https://politiken.dk/sport/ECE1202448/...loddoping/)
That's the reason I logged on to PCM.daily this morning
Please keep in mind, though, that it's not really a test for blood doping - it's a test for plastic components.
Remember when L'Equipe published an article about Contador's urine sample that revealed a high amount of plastic component? Same test, but at that point, it was yet to be validated.
Now it has and is ready to be used at the World Championship in skiing.
Question is whether you can really use that test for detecting blood doping? Isn't it more of an indicator rather than proof? I guess we will know soon.
I also remember reading a news article about retroactive testing for plastic. If that's true -- Contador, be afraid, be very afraid
Is it possible to get plastic components in your blood by other ways than transfusions? If it is not or very unlikely then I guess it could be used as proof. Some have already been claiming that drinking in bottles all day long, like cyclists do, could make some plasticines appear. I'm not sure whether that's true or just a convenient excuse for the plasticines to be found. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 22-02-2011 12:02
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mattiasgt wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Has this been mentioned?
According to Danish newspaper Politiken, there is now a test for blood doping ready for use at the skiing world cup. Our good friend Rasmus Damsgaard helped develope it.
(Link in danish: https://politiken.dk/sport/ECE1202448/...loddoping/)
That's the reason I logged on to PCM.daily this morning
Please keep in mind, though, that it's not really a test for blood doping - it's a test for plastic components.
Remember when L'Equipe published an article about Contador's urine sample that revealed a high amount of plastic component? Same test, but at that point, it was yet to be validated.
Now it has and is ready to be used at the World Championship in skiing.
Question is whether you can really use that test for detecting blood doping? Isn't it more of an indicator rather than proof? I guess we will know soon.
I also remember reading a news article about retroactive testing for plastic. If that's true -- Contador, be afraid, be very afraid
Is it possible to get plastic components in your blood by other ways than transfusions? If it is not or very unlikely then I guess it could be used as proof.
EDIT: I read the article now. It look like it says that the test i made on the urin and not the blood. Then the possiblity of getting it with food must exist, hence it can't be used as proof.
Urine comes from the blood, so that shouldn't make a difference. It really depends on the size of the plastic components
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 22-02-2011 12:51
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Ahh, of course.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-02-2011 16:08
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Retroactive testing? Are we crazy? When has the UCI did that?
Aquarius wrote:
Some have already been claiming that drinking in bottles all day long, like cyclists do, could make some plasticines appear. I'm not sure whether that's true or just a convenient excuse for the plasticines to be found.
Wouldn't that kind of things surely be studied during the validation of a test for whatever? I mean it's not like I go to the WADA claiming that I have a test for X and they immediately start applying it, is it? |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 22-02-2011 16:21
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I don't have high hopes about the new blood test. Plasticizers are all around the place, and the DEHP is in products like plastic bags used to preserve food. The probability of contamination by water or by food is quite higher than ingesting clembuterol via a contaminated steak. So do the math. 
EDIT: And retroactive testing? They must be kidding. As far as I recall, they told the same about 8 years ago, several times indeed.
Edited by Ildabaoth on 22-02-2011 16:25
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 22-02-2011 16:23
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I think the point is, the plasticizers are to large to be absorbed through the intestines, so if they are in the urine then they must have been injected straight into the blood stream.
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 22-02-2011 16:58
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mb2612 wrote:
I think the point is, the plasticizers are to large to be absorbed through the intestines, so if they are in the urine then they must have been injected straight into the blood stream.
Perhaps you are right. I don't know too much about this stuff. It's just Jordi Segura said his laboratory was trying to find a way to discriminate between DHEP got into blood by a transfusion from that got by food or water, so I guess it is possible to find DHEP in blood by ingestion too. Considering the precedent Contador's exoneration using a quite low probability food contamination as excuse and the presence of DHEP everywhere, well, that doesn't let me be hopeful about the effective use of the new test.
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 22-02-2011 18:23
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In other news, Danish press has received a summary of the yearly congress of DCU (the Danish Cycling Union).
Apparently, Chairman Tom Lund still sees Michael Rasmussen as a threat, and claims that "he is the same person, as the one who tells the press that we are corrupt imbeciles and that he wishes that we were dead".
Earlier statements from DCU says that they have yet to decide, which Danish teams are welcome in Post Danmark Rundt (Tour of Denmark), however, the summary reveals that DCU has already made their decision. In the summary, Tom Lund is quoted for saying: "We have announced that Michael Rasmussen will not be attending Post Danmark Rundt".
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Personal Note: This farce has gone too far. Bring this dispute before a court of law and get it over with.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-02-2011 18:35
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Ultimately, it's an invite-race, and it's up to the race organizer to decide which teams to invite. Bringing it to a court won't change anything. Getting a new DCU chairman would, though. |
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 22-02-2011 19:10
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CrueTrue wrote:
Ultimately, it's an invite-race, and it's up to the race organizer to decide which teams to invite. Bringing it to a court won't change anything. Getting a new DCU chairman would, though.
I wasn't so much referring to the invites for the race, or the race itself for that matter, but the endless stream of criticism and personal libel that each party keeps throwing like oh so much mud.
Get it over with, noone wants to hear about their petty squabbles anymore.
I'm not pro-Rasmussen, I'm just tired of hearing them complain. |
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 22-02-2011 19:26
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According to the swedish commentator on eurosport, Roberto Vacchi, Valverde has been training with the Movistar team, which is against the rules for a suspended rider. Vacchi sent a mail to UCI asking about it and got a reply from Pat McQuaid that he indeed was right about the rule and that Pat himself was going to contact Movistar and Valverde to point it out.
Link in swedish:
https://www.eurosport.se/roberto-vacch...full.shtml
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| Maximka |
Posted on 22-02-2011 19:38
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That is stupid rule
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-02-2011 19:39
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mattiasgt wrote:
According to the swedish commentator on eurosport, Roberto Vacchi, Valverde has been training with the Movistar team, which is against the rules for a suspended rider. Vacchi sent a mail to UCI asking about it and got a reply from Pat McQuaid that he indeed was right about the rule and that Pat himself was going to contact Movistar and Valverde to point it out.
Link in swedish:
https://www.eurosport.se/roberto-vacch...full.shtml
I didn't know that it was against the rules, but it looked a bit weird for me that a suspended rider was training with a pro team, and it's not like they tried to hide it, quite on the contrary actually. Is there any kind of sanction (economical I guess) for this? |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 22-02-2011 19:40
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Maximka wrote:
That is stupid rule
why? |
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| Maximka |
Posted on 22-02-2011 20:00
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Are Pro cyclists must train just alone?
Why, say, I can't join them on the training?
And if I can, why Valv can't?
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 22-02-2011 20:16
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Maximka wrote:
Are Pro cyclists must train just alone?
Why, say, I can't join them on the training?
And if I can, why Valv can't?
He is suspended?
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