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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 03-12-2010 12:05
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mb2612 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Just look at the English bid. We had the best economic bid, the best technical bid, great inspection vists and a presentation described by Blatter as "excellent and remarkable". We got 2 votes, one of which was our own. Of course, that had nothing to do with the fact the English media had found and investigated corruption amongst the FIFA voters 
Also nothing to do with the fact that Blatter has spent the past 20 years trying to get the world cup to new territories
blatter just got offered lots of cash
england & belgiumhollandbid >>>>>>> Russia
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-12-2010 16:40
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Just look at the English bid. We had the best economic bid, the best technical bid, great inspection vists and a presentation described by Blatter as "excellent and remarkable". We got 2 votes, one of which was our own. Of course, that had nothing to do with the fact the English media had found and investigated corruption amongst the FIFA voters
Also nothing to do with the fact that Blatter has spent the past 20 years trying to get the world cup to new territories
blatter just got offered lots of cash
england & belgiumhollandbid >>>>>>> Russia
And Spain/Portugal>>>>>>all.
See, I can play chauvinism too.
This doesn't mean FIFA isn't corrupt though. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-12-2010 17:14
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kumazan wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Just look at the English bid. We had the best economic bid, the best technical bid, great inspection vists and a presentation described by Blatter as "excellent and remarkable". We got 2 votes, one of which was our own. Of course, that had nothing to do with the fact the English media had found and investigated corruption amongst the FIFA voters
Also nothing to do with the fact that Blatter has spent the past 20 years trying to get the world cup to new territories
blatter just got offered lots of cash
england & belgiumhollandbid >>>>>>> Russia
And Spain/Portugal>>>>>>all.
See, I can play chauvinism too.
This doesn't mean FIFA isn't corrupt though.
His post is especially hilarious when you factor in that Euro 2000 hosted by Belgium and Holland is widely regarded as the worst organizing disaster top level football has ever seen.
Or, as Andy Roxburgh of UEFA put it earlier this week: "Players going down the tunnel taking care to not step in the streams of rainwater flowing down the tunnel and scared of the electrical wiring protruding from the wall right next to it, while a regular occurence, was hardly the worst thing about that summer we'd all like to forget"
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| Wilier |
Posted on 03-12-2010 18:58
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issoisso wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
[quote]Crommy wrote:
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blatter just got offered lots of cash
england & belgiumhollandbid >>>>>>> Russia
And Spain/Portugal>>>>>>all.
See, I can play chauvinism too.
This doesn't mean FIFA isn't corrupt though.
His post is especially hilarious when you factor in that Euro 2000 hosted by Belgium and Holland is widely regarded as the worst organizing disaster top level football has ever seen.
@isso
I don't see how that has anything to do with the current holland/belgium bid, which was pretty good. Also I don't recall Euro 2000 being a 'disaster'.(can't find any info about that either)
I think Crommy has a point. England have good venues, good financials, everything well organised there. The only reason to choose for Russia & Qatar would be money I guess.
I don't really care where the tournament is held as long as Holland does good. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 03-12-2010 19:34
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Wilier wrote:
I think Crommy has a point. England have good venues, good financials, everything well organised there. The only reason to choose for Russia & Qatar would be money I guess.
Rumour is that Sepp Blatter told the voters just before the vote to remember recent media events i.e. BBC investigation showing corruption in FIFA and Sunday Times investigation showing corruption a couple of weeks ago
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| kumazan |
Posted on 03-12-2010 21:02
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You don't really pretend to accuse an institution of corruption, and then to be inmediately awarded by that very institution by hosting their most important event, do you?
That's not how the world works.
Edited by kumazan on 03-12-2010 21:03
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 03-12-2010 21:26
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The world doesn't work that way as you mention, but the way the UK did it, revealing and saying the truth, shouldn't make your chances less, then if you've had a story about how great Fifa and Sepp Blatter is.
Nothing new, but if that's the reason UK didn't got it, it's not good. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 03-12-2010 21:48
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FIFA is corrupt. Makes the UCI look like choirboys.
Russia is one of the more corrupt countries in the World.
Doesn't take a genius to work out how Russia won. Money talks and unfortunately England didn't throw enough money at the people who mattered. |
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 04-12-2010 10:42
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The whole irony is that the allegations were proved entirely true by how the voting turned out. It's also ironic that the World Cup goes to Russia, the most corrupt of the bidding nations. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-12-2010 11:00
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fenian_1234 wrote:
FIFA is corrupt. Makes the UCI look like choirboys.
Russia is one of the more corrupt countries in the World.
Doesn't take a genius to work out how Russia won. Money talks and unfortunately England didn't throw enough money at the people who mattered.
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-12-2010 12:05
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I'm looking forward to see Russia hosting the WC. We don't need to throw the WC around in England, Italy, Spain, Germany, Brazil, Argentina and so on. Why not try some countries like they have been doing with the Asian WC, the African and now in Russia.
I'm all for trying different places...
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| kumazan |
Posted on 04-12-2010 12:32
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Montolivo wrote:
The world doesn't work that way as you mention, but the way the UK did it, revealing and saying the truth, shouldn't make your chances less, then if you've had a story about how great Fifa and Sepp Blatter is.
Nothing new, but if that's the reason UK didn't got it, it's not good.
You have to be very naive if you think that revealing a scandal of corruption in the FIFA doesn't lower your options to host a WC.
It's quite obvious how Russia and Qatar won. Two WC hosters decided, both oil producers, coincidence? Sure.
But this doesn't mean than in a fantasy corruption-free world England would have won. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 04-12-2010 13:28
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kumazan wrote:
You don't really pretend to accuse an institution of corruption, and then to be inmediately awarded by that very institution by hosting their most important event, do you?
That's not how the world works.
How is the UK media the UK bidding team?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 04-12-2010 14:23
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Crommy wrote:
kumazan wrote:
You don't really pretend to accuse an institution of corruption, and then to be inmediately awarded by that very institution by hosting their most important event, do you?
That's not how the world works.
How is the UK media the UK bidding team? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 04-12-2010 15:01
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I see it like this:
UK does not have enough money to buy all the votes. So they had to raise the voice about the corruption.
Now "if" the FIFA would have suspended all corrupt committee members then it should have raised the chances of UK.
Sadly there must be more corrupt members in that committee and they aren't even afraid of been caught or about the consequences.
But to be honest. It is a huge waste of money to host the WC and it needs more then home support to win the WC (At least for England. Other countries like russia or qatar couldn't even win the home WC when they bought all other players, referees and the FIFA).
Edited by Lachi on 04-12-2010 16:04
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-12-2010 15:08
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How come it's corrupt just because England didn't win? Enlighten me please. And save me the conspirataiontheories.
Did England have the best bid? And how? Are Russia capable of hosting the WC? Sure, why not? Are England? Definately! Are Qatar? Hmm doubtful, but ok!
South Africa? Well they did pretty OK I suspect, inspite of the Vuvuzela ruining the soundpicture. I haven't been following this bid enough to know why Russia shouldn't be a totally acceptable WC host.
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| Immortal |
Posted on 04-12-2010 15:27
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Just to clear up any confusion  : Qatar is in time zone GMT+3, one hour in front of South Africa.
Also, Qatar has no day light saving time. So the difference between them and central Europe is only one hour in the summer. In western Russia it's two hours (correct me if I'm misstaken)
That still does not change the fact that choosing Qatar as a host is going to backfire sooner or later though. |
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| Rin |
Posted on 04-12-2010 15:39
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Actually there were 2 "checks" for the countries, one for the economic (checked by McKinsey for the FIFA) and a technical delegation which visited the countries
England was in both of them 1st while Russia was last in both, so the english bid was the best
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that the FIFA is just as corrupt as many countries in the world and if a german magazine wouldn't have sent a hoax bribery package to a delegate, we would have seen the 2006 world cup in South Africa.. Thank god for that magazine
The main reason why Russia and Qatar won is that the FIFA will make a lot of money
South Africa lost 2000 million euros while FIFA made a plus of 2000 million euros with the 2010 world cup
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| Lachi |
Posted on 04-12-2010 16:02
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SotD: Are you talking to me? If yes, then please tell me where I wrote about England losing the bid. Or that beeing a proof for corruption.
These are the facts:
- Two of the committee members have been suspended because they accepted to sell their votes.
- Three other committee members have received money from ISL without any known service or work.
My point was:
If you know that the committee is corrupt then removing the corrupt members should even the votes. But the first round votes were not nearly close to even (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_and_2022_FIFA_World_Cup_bids). So statistically this means there are high chances of more corrupt members. So no conspiracy but pure mathematics.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 04-12-2010 16:32
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I'm not exactly sure how the voting is supposed to work, but wouldn't money be the biggest reason anyone does something. Fifa probably wanted to have WC's in places that don't get them often and the extra money is "extra padding" in case it is a huge fail.
Wouldn't having a WC someplace where football isn't the #1 sport make football more popular in those countries which would be good?
My point is I don't think you can say they only picked Russia and Qatar because they offered more money. I think it has a lot to do with making the game more popular in those countries and basically giving them a chance to host a WC. |
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