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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 23-05-2010 17:51
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-05-2010 18:05
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Basso was excellent. He must win this Giro now. With this team, and the stages to come, things look great for him
Mollema again with a good climb! Too bad Porte didn't lose much...if Porte keeps this up he has the white jersey in the bag |
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Posted on 23-05-2010 18:25
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SotD wrote:
I've made a quick calculation on the top 10 after this stage (Without knowing anything about Tondo, Kiserlovski, Gerdemann and Wiggins.)
1 David Arroyo 0
2 Ritchie Porte +2'35
3 Ivan Basso +3'33
4 Carlos Sastre +4'21
5 Cadel Evans +4'43
6 Alexandre Vinokourov +5'51
7 Vincenzo Nibali +6'07
8 Michele Scarponi +6'41
9 Marco Pinotti +9'53
10 Damiano Cunego +10'19
Pinotti is really amazing. Wow. But now, will it last ? I don't know.
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| roturn |
Posted on 23-05-2010 18:34
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Exact GC
1 ARROYO DURAN David ESP GCE 67:48:42 0:00
2 PORTE Richie AUS SAX 67:51:17 2:35
3 BASSO Ivan ITA LIQ 67:52:15 3:33
4 SASTRE CANDIL Carlos ESP CTT 67:53:03 4:21
5 EVANS Cadel AUS BMC 67:53:25 4:43
6 VINOKOUROV Alexandre KAZ AST 67:54:33 5:51
7 NIBALI Vincenzo ITA LIQ 67:54:50 6:08
8 SCARPONI Michele ITA AND 67:55:16 6:34
9 GERDEMANN Linus GER MRM 67:55:54 7:12
10 KISERLOVSKI Robert CRO LIQ 67:56:55 8:13
11 CUNEGO Damiano ITA LAM 67:58:01 9:19
12 PINOTTI Marco ITA THR 67:58:35 9:53
13 KARPETS Vladimir RUS KAT 68:01:51 13:09
14 MOLLEMA Bauke NED RAB 68:03:17 14:35
15 CATALDO Dario ITA QST 68:03:27 14:45
16 EFIMKIN Alexander RUS ALM 68:05:19 16:37
17 ARDILA CANO Mauricio Alberto COL RAB 68:10:44 22:02
18 GADRET John FRA ALM 68:11:11 22:29
19 CIONI Dario David ITA SKY 68:11:33 22:51
20 AGNOLI Valerio ITA LIQ 68:12:24 23:42
21 TONDO VOLPINI Xavier ESP CTT 68:12:29 23:47
22 DE GREEF Francis BEL OLO 68:13:15 24:33
23 WIGGINS Bradley GBR SKY 68:16:56 28:14
24 GARZELLI Stefano ITA ASA 68:21:37 32:55
25 MAYOZ ECHEVERRIA Iban ESP FOT 68:21:49 33:07
Tondo and Wiggins with problems today. Tondo was quite well but then downhill he was getting slower for no reason?!?!
Gerdemann still really good
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-05-2010 19:17
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VAM is a dumb measurement. It can only be used to compare between performances on the same exact climb.
In this case, we can do that.
Simoni 2007: 1850
Basso 2010: 1773
Peloton may in no way be clean, but it's a hell of a lot cleaner.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 23-05-2010 19:20
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I am suddenly feeling much better about cylcing
Edited by mb2612 on 23-05-2010 19:20
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 23-05-2010 19:27
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issoisso wrote:
VAM is a dumb measurement. It can only be used to compare between performances on the same exact climb.
In this case, we can do that.
Simoni 2007: 1850
Basso 2010: 1773
Peloton may in no way be clean, but it's a hell of a lot cleaner.
I wonder how fast Basso would do it if he was on his 2006 "form".
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 23-05-2010 19:27
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 in 2007 we had 142 km and today 222 km ...yeah much cleaner  |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 23-05-2010 19:31
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Well done Basso  You're one of my favourite riders.
And also excellent results for Mollema and Kruijswijk.
Edited by Wilier on 23-05-2010 19:32
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-05-2010 19:34
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Il Grillo wrote:
in 2007 we had 142 km and today 222 km ...yeah much cleaner
The effect of how hard the stage is on VAM is never more than 40-50VAM/h.
Compare climbs between previous years. You'll see that.
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-05-2010 20:02
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Isso, you cannot disregard the fact that both the climbs in front of the Zoncolan and the length of the stage was much harder than in 2007. A comparison is therefore futile |
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| Chemiefan |
Posted on 23-05-2010 20:15
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Pinotti rides a strong giro still under the top 10 after this stage |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 23-05-2010 20:19
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Pinotti looks like this year's Wiggins. |
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| Chemiefan |
Posted on 23-05-2010 20:26
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i hope he finished the giro in the top 10 |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 23-05-2010 20:30
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I doubt however that Pinotti will go on to finish the tour in 4th.
aÁs for pink, only an accident can stop Basso from winning it. He might even get it on tuesday, or at least he will close in drastically and pass Porte.
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 23-05-2010 20:31
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ruben wrote:
Isso, you cannot disregard the fact that both the climbs in front of the Zoncolan and the length of the stage was much harder than in 2007. A comparison is therefore futile
I know you're pissed off at the fact that me and a few other guys have been ragging on you on another forum for basically not posting anything that's not about Mollema being awesome, but...
If you're going to contradict me, please argue, instead of just saying you disagree.
I argued that VAM comparisons between stages finishing in the same climbs in previous seasons show the difference can be 40-50 m/h at most. If you disagree, by all means show me an example that disproves this, or I'm just going to start ignoring you.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-05-2010 20:51
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Kriit still riding  ..Finished today 25min after totaly wasted Wiggins and Tondo.
Keep rolling young man.
..fact..Did you know that only estonian who has finished tour is Aus (If we keep estonian born Kuum out of that short list).
And Giro count is 0 at the moment..so rookie will make a history.
This is my subjective joy on this Giro..mostly because several guys (including myself) sayed after Kriit contact that this guy is not good enough for Cofidis or any big league. He knows that and have fighting hard to prove us that we have been wrong. At least he has done it for me. I am proud to have Kriit. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-05-2010 21:31
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You are the one dragging Mollema in this argument Isso. Now you have lost the discussion immediately. If you can't keep it off-personal, than why discuss at all?
Like I said, when a stage is much harder and longer, the riders begin the last climb way more fatigued and you cannot compare VAM, Watts or time... It is futile, end of. |
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| boork |
Posted on 23-05-2010 21:39
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ruben wrote:
You are the one dragging Mollema in this argument Isso. Now you have lost the discussion immediately. If you can't keep it off-personal, than why discuss at all?
Like I said, when a stage is much harder and longer, the riders begin the last climb way more fatigued and you cannot compare VAM, Watts or time... It is futile, end of.
Did you even read Issos post? Please do so and edit your post. Thank you |
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| TerpSpeed |
Posted on 23-05-2010 21:49
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issoisso wrote:
ruben wrote:
Isso, you cannot disregard the fact that both the climbs in front of the Zoncolan and the length of the stage was much harder than in 2007. A comparison is therefore futile
I know you're pissed off at the fact that me and a few other guys have been ragging on you on another forum for basically not posting anything that's not about Mollema being awesome, but...
If you're going to contradict me, please argue, instead of just saying you disagree.
I argued that VAM comparisons between stages finishing in the same climbs in previous seasons show the difference can be 40-50 m/h at most. If you disagree, by all means show me an example that disproves this, or I'm just going to start ignoring you.
I'm going to post this because I'd really like to get the numbers (and optimally deeper than just Simoni and Basso) for comparison.
But you say that differences are 40-50 m/h, which I assume means 40-50 meters of VAM per extra hour ridden prior to the ascent?
And, going entirely off the information posted by someone on the last page, this stage was ~220km, while the last one was ~140km (approx. two hours shorter)?
So, we can expect 80-100 VAM to be added to Basso for a proper comparison?
Making him, you know, precisely equal to Simoni '07?
Not disparaging your results, I am just a numbers nerd who wants to see them close-up for the sake of discussion.
Edited by TerpSpeed on 23-05-2010 21:50
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