issoisso wrote:
Savoldelli, the master bike handler says the TT on thursday will be quite a lot about bike handling skills.
Adds that because of that, Leipheimer should disappoint. Comments that Levi is reputed in the peloton for being a guy you don't want to be behind during a descent - horrible bike handler, lets gaps open all the time by losing the wheel of whoever he's chasing..
Just quoting cyclingnews about stage 10 cause I know you like em, isso:
"A daredevil descender who is also a top climber will win the stage. In the past, we'd say Savoldelli, but Astana's Levi Leipheimer also goes downhill pretty quickly."
Who are we to believe? A bunch of guys who report races as efficiently as PCM Daily, but with worse spelling and grammar, or one of the best descenders to grace the international peloton? I think I'd go with Savoldelli's opinion over Cyclingnews any day.
Its difficult to know what to make of the TT this year, with so many talented TTers really on form.
Menchov is pretty consistent when it comes to TT's, Rogers is obviously superb on top form as is Leipheimer. Lovkvist did well in the TT in last years TdF (11th in both I think).
Cunego and Simoni have done okay in TT's in Giro's past, but then they haven't had so much top quality opposition - it will be interesting to see how they do in comparison with say Di Luca who even in his Giro win did relatively poorly.
Then you have Basso - who can put in a great TT when in top form.
There are other guys like Pinotti and Bruseghin who have popped up on Giro TT's before and are somewhat specialists.
Then it comes to the profile of the TT as well - its not anything for anybody - its perhaps a bit technical and if Savoldelli was here in his prime he would be a sure fire favourite. In his absence I would go for Pinotti maybe to spring a surprise or even Simoni? (okay I am probably reaching there)
I do find it surprising that many of the favourites have simply abandoned any thoughts of attack tomorrow - are we going to watch Liquigas really try and tempo ride Rogers, Di Luca, Lovkvist, Leipheimer etc. up Siestriere or will they take a gamble with Pellizotti?
I think Barloworld and Simoni's team will try and play a number of cards and I would like to think Lampre will try something? Perhaps its time for Astana to let one of their talented riders out of the bag (or will they be on their soon to be paymasters duty once again!
In the end of March I had some free time and went to Castilla y Leon, stage 2, to see Armstrong for the first time, unfortunately he broke his collarbone and wasn´t already there...
In the start of stage 4 I could follow Astana in their pre-ride. We didn't any real descent, so I didn't conclude leipheimer has good bike skills from that.
I saw the TT and I was in a very technical corner, Leipheimer was undoubtely the rider that did that corner faster, the guy was completely flying, the others, compared to him, were going veery slow.
Maybe he isn't the best descender in the peloton, with a regular bike, although, I doubt he is one of the worst. At least in a TT bike, he is one of the fastest, even in a technical corse.
Dan_Grr wrote:
Ze Maria is a Portuguese name. Ze is the abbreviation of Jose. It's like Jose Mary in English. Pretty Pimba.
Unless you're Sergio Paulinho, in which case you must know what you're talking about.
Pimba is your name: Dan Grr, are you going to bite someone?
I think I didn't write anything about you, so shut up.
Issoisso, I presume from your profile you are portuguese too. So, if you want, we can do, some day, a training ride. I don't know if you cycle or not...
Where are you from? I think I rode in a lot of roads in our country, so it is not going to be a problem.
Dan_Grr wrote:
Ze Maria is a Portuguese name. Ze is the abbreviation of Jose. It's like Jose Mary in English. Pretty Pimba.
Unless you're Sergio Paulinho, in which case you must know what you're talking about.
Pimba is your name: Dan Grr, are you going to bite someone?
I think I didn't write anything about you, so shut up.
Issoisso, I presume from your profile you are portuguese too. So, if you want, we can do, some day, a training ride. I don't know if you cycle or not...
Where are you from? I think I rode in a lot of roads in our country, so it is not going to be a problem.
Ah, e não gosto do teu tom, deves ter a mania...
You didn't write anything about Isso either.
Yep, he's portuguese. I believe he's not as good as Levi but I think Isso has great bike handling skills too, so you can learn something
zemaria wrote:
Issoisso, I presume from your profile you are portuguese too. So, if you want, we can do, some day, a training ride. I don't know if you cycle or not...
Where are you from? I think I rode in a lot of roads in our country, so it is not going to be a problem.
Ah, e não gosto do teu tom, deves ter a mania...
First of all, this is an english forum. English is the language here, otherwise the administrator usually yells at us, which to be fair, he's quite right about
Secondly, the fact you completely changed tone as soon as you changed language tells me all I need to know: that you're a bit of an ass. Then again, your first post hinted at that already.
Thirdly, and more importantly, you're the one who attacked me out of nowhere. "Stupid rumours", you said.
Your "training ride" with Leipheimer....why bring it up the way you did, clearly trying to pass it off as "evidence" when your posts clearly show it's in no way relevant? Don't answer that, that's a rhetorical question.
My tone has quite a simple explanation: you behaved like an ass, so I was never going to take you seriously, or have a normal or "nice" tone of voice towards you. And I sure as hell was never going to respect you.
If you want a respectful tone, start by respecting people.
So, considering your past actions (yelling at me for something Savoldelli said), I'm guessing now you're going to yell at a random guy on the street for something I just said.
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First of all, this is an english forum. English is the language here, otherwise the administrator usually yells at us, which to be fair, he's quite right about
And talking about yelling, if Mike knew what is written there, he would yell a bit too.
First of all, this is an english forum. English is the language here, otherwise the administrator usually yells at us, which to be fair, he's quite right about
And talking about yelling, if Mike knew what is written there, he would yell a bit too.
I wrote it in portuguese because I don't know how to write it in the right way in english. I'm not a good english speaker or writer... If you want, you can translate it...
So, considering your past actions (yelling at me for something Savoldelli said), I'm guessing now you're going to yell at a random guy on the street for something I just said.
Now you are being stupid.
Savoldelli, the master bike handler says the TT on thursday will be quite a lot about bike handling skills.
Adds that because of that, Leipheimer should disappoint. Comments that Levi is reputed in the peloton for being a guy you don't want to be behind during a descent - horrible bike handler, lets gaps open all the time by losing the wheel of whoever he's chasing..
For what you wrote, Savoldelli only said
"the TT on thursday will be quite a lot about bike handling skills...because of that, Leipheimer should disappoint "
Then you add (at least is what it seams the way you wrote it), not Savoldelli speaking:
"Comments that Levi is reputed in the peloton for being a guy you don't want to be behind during a descent - horrible bike handler, lets gaps open all the time by losing the wheel of whoever he's chasing.."
I think this statement is ridiculous and I think you know that. Savoldelli would never say that. "losing the wheel of whoever he's chasing"??? "Horrible bike handler"???
Come on man, do you really believe in what you wrote? I think if that was the case we had already noticed, I don't remember of seeing him losing much time in a descent, I can't say the same about Gesink...
About the fact I did a "training ride" with Levi. I like to anounce that. It makes me proud. He is one of my favourite riders, I know he is doped, but I don't care, he reinvented the TT bike position, and he is gaining a lot of time with that.
Isn't it what you did? You snapped at me for something someone else said.
zemaria wrote:
Then you add (at least is what it seams the way you wrote it), not Savoldelli speaking:
"Comments that Levi is reputed in the peloton for being a guy you don't want to be behind during a descent - horrible bike handler, lets gaps open all the time by losing the wheel of whoever he's chasing.."
I think this statement is ridiculous and I think you know that. Savoldelli would never say that. "losing the wheel of whoever he's chasing"??? "Horrible bike handler"???
So now you're calling me a liar?
RAI were interviewing several former riders on what they thought of the stages that are to come of the Giro. What I wrote above are Savo's comments on the subjet of the time trial.
You're free to agree or disagree, but calling me a liar is something I won't stand for.
zemaria wrote:
Come on man, do you really believe in what you wrote? I think if that was the case we had already noticed, I don't remember of seeing him losing much time in a descent, I can't say the same about Gesink...
What's Gesink not descending well got to do with it?
zemaria wrote:
Let's see who wins the TT and then we will talk about who is an horrible bike handler...
That's got nothing to do with it.
The main variable for thursday is who can time trial and who can't. Bike handling is important, but secondary. Irregardless of what Savoldelli says, Leipheimer is still my joint top favorite.
Edited by issoisso on 19-05-2009 00:29
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
Levi is reputed in the peloton for being a guy you don't want to be behind during a descent - horrible bike handler, lets gaps open all the time by losing the wheel of whoever he's chasing..
What I understood was that you heard comments saying that. I really don't like when people start rumors or say something based in comments, or rumors...
Even so, I think Levi can´t be a really crappy bike handler, we would already had noticed that. Like in the case of gesink, or frank schleck. I have recorded in my dvd player some descents where these guys really suck...
I like savoldelli a lot, but I think, if he said exactly that (...), that he is completely wrong. Leipheimer will have very good chances of winning the TT.
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