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General Career Discussion 2013
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| Kalach |
Posted on 11-03-2014 22:27
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Hello...Could someone help me? I have been always struggling with cobbled stages..I am playing for BMC and I would like to beat Cancelara and Boonen with GVA or Hushovd at Paris - Roubaix..
I mean I dont know any sufficient tactic on this type of race...Please are there any tips which will guarantee a high possibility that I will win this race? Thx a lot 
Edited by Kalach on 11-03-2014 22:28
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 11-03-2014 22:41
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That's not likely to happen as far as Cancellara/Boonen has 81-ish stats and Van Avermaet/Hushovd has 75-ish stats. But it's not impossible.
You should try attacking with one of them early (not in breakaway, but about some 100km's to go), or try just following every attack by dot, since by that you won't lose much energy and you'll manage to catch the guys at front with less energy spent on that.
Once again, it's not likely to happen since every DB is trying to be as realistic as they can and you can agree that Hushovd or GVA beating Boonen/Spartacus in P-R isn't so realistic.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 11-03-2014 22:44
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No. Except for switching to easy or maybe even normal, i don't think there's any strategy with which there'd be a high probability. GVA and Hushovd are simply nowhere near as good as Cance and Boonen.
The only two things i can think of that might work are a long range attack (i'd eiither attack with both or attack with the worse sprinter, make the favourites do all the work at the end when they're isolated and outsprint them if/when they make the catch) or you try to bring a big group to the Velodrome, though your domestiques probably aren't strong enough to manage, especially if Stybar and Boonen use the tactici described a minute ago.
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 11-03-2014 22:45
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EPIC disagrees with both of you.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 11-03-2014 22:51
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brewers90 wrote:
EPIC disagrees with both of you.
I think there's really no need to speak how strange PCM AI can be, so whatever actually happened in EPIC, it can't surprise me anymore. 
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 11-03-2014 22:59
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This happened:
| Rank | Name | Team | Time | | 1 | Greg Van Avermaet | BMC Racing Team | 7h07'48 | | 2 | Tom Boonen | Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team | + 49 | | 3 | Peter Sagan | Cannondale Pro Cycling | + 4'04 | | 4 | Peter Pal | FDJ | + 5'05 | | 5 | Fabian Cancellara | RadioShack - Leopard | s.t. | | 6 | Sep Vanmarcke | Belkin Pro Cycling | s.t. | | 7 | Thabo Jango Sithembile | Sky Procycling | s.t. | | 8 | Sébastien Turgot | Team Europcar | s.t. | | 9 | Sylvain Chavanel | Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team | s.t. | | 10 | Filippo Pozzato | Lampre - Merida | + 6'17 |
https://www.pcmdai...ost_860605
I admit it won't help Kalach much, especially as he said he wanted help with Paris - Roubaix, but with a well-timed attack and top form (+5 on the day will help as well), there's no doubt it's possible.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 11-03-2014 23:00
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Keep protecting your top riders all the time. For example, 4 worst cobblers protect the 4 better ones. Once they are used up, the 4th best cobbler protects GVA... then the 3rd, then the second. Take position always upfront. Use counter attack either when Boonen or Cancellara go, or when you feel confident. You can also try your own attack but not too far out. Maybe sent a decent cobbler in the breakaway for support later on. Obviously a guy like Van Avermaet needs perfect fitness to even dream of competing against Boonen and Cancellara.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kalach |
Posted on 11-03-2014 23:10
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Thx guys for tips...But GVA has 78 cob stats so I think with the right tactics it will not be impossible...I have also Phinney, Burghard, Gilbert and Oss..I dont remember exactly they cob stats but I guess they are around 74-76...I am actually playing at normal mode...
And what about effort? Should I use lower effort on cobbled sections? Is good starting with 70 effort or should I lower it? |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 11-03-2014 23:15
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Do you play with "take position" or with dot? I usually play with take position and keep them at 80 in the second half of the race. When the number starts to blink red (that means they are about to lose positions), I increase it. It's important to keep as your top riders always in the upper third of the race.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kalach |
Posted on 11-03-2014 23:19
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I am afraid that I dont understand what do you mean by "dot" please explain. I am playing with "take position". Yeaah when is a half of the race done, I am trying to be at the front all the way until the end.. |
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| eple |
Posted on 12-03-2014 02:40
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Dot refers to the button that toggles 'individual' effort as opposed to the button that toggles 'maintain position' (it looks like a dot!)
To explain the difference here's an example:
If you select a rider to maintain position at 80% effort, he will ride as hard as he can to stay in place until he hits the 80% roof, which is around 182 BPM (roughly). If it requires less effort to stay in place he will use whatever is necessary and not waste energy if the peleton is moving slowly, but if it requires more (blinks red) he will fall back and perhaps lose a gap to the lead.
The "dot" ignores the peleton's speed and he rides at the percentage you have set, so 80% will mean he will stays around 180-182 BPM until you tell him otherwise.
However, on Cobbles the percentage effect changes (at least it used to in PCM12). 80% on cobbles will burn a rider out very quickly. I think 50-55% or thereabouts is the sweet spot on cobbles. Sweet spot being the effort that results in 184 BPM (before it turns red)
Using the dot has some advantages, because you can lower the riders BPM, and thus the energy spent, by micromanaging it. If you want to get the most out the rider you need to look at the BPM. When it turns yellow (between 167 and 184 BPM or something like that) it eats up the yellow bar. When it goes to red (185-> ) it eats up the red bar.
In example doing what Shonak said of keeping them at 80% maintain has the advantage of reducing the likelihood that riders fall back, but it also has the disadvantage that riders are pulled into a high BPM by the ever changing pace of the peleton, and loses some of the yellow bar.
If you keep a close eye on effort and BPM you can save energy that can make a difference in the end.
So for a cobble race, what you can do is put your rider on dot on the cobbles, but keep it as low as you can without losing your position. That way you don't risk that a sudden increase in pace will empty him.
Edited by eple on 12-03-2014 02:42
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 12-03-2014 06:18
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50-55% isn't the sweet spot on cobbles anymore, though it was in PCM 12.
You can go higher now.
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 12-03-2014 09:38
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I played BMC in a RvV single race and won, only to find out later I was accidentally playing on normal. However, I think the same tactics can apply at PR
1. Protect your best rider(s) all the time. The ones with 77+ COB and high STA. Less than 77 COB and he's not a leader. I believe in BMC you got Gilbert and GVA who meet the qualifications.
2. Put a decently strong helper in the early breakaway. Make sure hes the strongest of all riders in the break, but not overpowered. For example, if the best rider in the break has 71 COB and 72 STA, put in a guy with 72 COB and 73 STA. Just let him ride with the breakaway in relay, make sure he doesn't use too much energy. You'll need him later.
3. When the cobbles have started and there is between 150-100 KM to go, find a nice challenging section of cobbles and attack with a good rider. Preferably your second best rider, with 76-77 COB and high STA. If you had him protected so far, that's great. Attack away at the start of a cobbled section and use individual effort at 70 or so to ride to the break. If the break is no more than 5-6 minutes up the road and your rider is strong enough, he should be able to do this.
4. Once your rider has attacked, do whatever you can inside the peloton to help him. Put all your riders at the front. At each cobbled section, have them ride really slow and block the road. Try to get the time gap up as high as possible. Make sure you keep protecting your leader inside the peloton while doing so.
5. In the breakaway, conserve your strong rider. Let him stay at the back of the group, not doing any work. He needs to recover his yellow bar from escaping the peloton. Put your helper at the front of the break with infinite relay at 60 effort, to keep the pace up without burning up too much.
6. Once your strong rider in the break has recovered, you can turn up the pace a bit, to further maximize the lead of the break. Make sure your strong breakaway rider keeps his yellow bar, so his hartbeat is always at around 166. Increase the pace with your helper so the helper burns his yellow bar (70-75). Once the helper has to burn his red bar (because the yellow bar is getting empty), use your helper to protect on a cobbled section and drive up the pace to yellow with your strong breakaway rider. Your helper exhausts his red bar. Let him exhaust his yellow bar by pacing the break until the start of the next cobbled section.
7. In the peloton in the finale, keep blocking the road. But be careful, the favourites WILL attack. Once they go, you have to be with them. Keep your leader protected and once you see Boonen/Cancellara moving to the front of the peloton, stay in their wheel, or even in front of them. Your focus should shift from blocking the road to watching the favourites. Keep our leader positioned well and use up your helpers in the peloton to do so. If the favourites attack, use up the last of your helpers immediately to jump their wheel. If you let the favourites go your helpers become useless as you can't catch them. Once your helpers are empty, follow/counterattack Boonen/Cancellara and never do any work. Sit on their wheel.
8. Once your helper in the break is done, attack with your strong breakaway rider, preferably at the start of a cobbled section. Don't burn up your red bar yet. Now it becomes a time trial for your breakaway rider. Let him ride solo at a pace that will fully exhaust his yellow bar about 10-5km before the finish. Burn your red bar when yellow is half-empy and you're at another cobbled section. Pray that your efforts in the breakaway were big enough to strike a decisive gap to the peloton and that he survives solo to the finish.
9. Keep following Boonen/Cancellara at all times. Monitor their behaviour. If they counter each other, let them counter and then you counter them. If they don't counter but go after one another, follow the first to attack and sit in his wheel. Don't be afraid to burn red bar to follow, P-R is one of those races where you're supposed to have nothing left at the finish. If your breakaway doesn't work, and if you're lucky with your leader, you can beat the favourites in a sprint by wheelsucking them throughout the finale.
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| Kalach |
Posted on 12-03-2014 12:50
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Thank you guys for all exhausted answers, especially ShortsNL Now the last thing which must be done is to try out one of your strategy..Hope it will be working..Gonna try soon ;-) |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 14-03-2014 04:57
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That tactic is so old gives zero satisfaction aswell o remeber doing it in Milan San Remo a few times its not that realistic. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 14-03-2014 20:31
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Well, this says enough.
I did it again. A PCMdaily characters team.
Something is wrong with my PCM motivation, it seems
Edited by Jesleyh on 14-03-2014 20:32
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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 14-03-2014 20:37
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Jesleyh wrote:
Well, this says enough.
I did it again. A PCMdaily characters team.
Something is wrong with my PCM motivation, it seems
Cyprus!!! |
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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 14-03-2014 20:38
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BTW, when I start a career I don't get to choose dificulty and progress of stats ... the starting screen in pcm 11, is this normal? |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 14-03-2014 20:44
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If you're talking about PCM13 (i see you mentioned PCM11) then it can be found in options and it's changable during career, which is great in my opinion.
It's not like in previous games, where you would set the difficulty/development speed and you weren't able to change it anymore.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-03-2014 20:46
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Jesleyh wrote:
Well, this says enough.
I did it again. A PCMdaily characters team.
Something is wrong with my PCM motivation, it seems
I'll tell you what's wrong, Henry Vergnaud isn't strong enough, that's what's wrong  |
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