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| helGn |
Posted on 24-07-2008 11:46
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almost want basso to be there so it could be a more fun tour |
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 24-07-2008 12:36
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Basso will definitely not be there. Liquigas already said it. He'll go to win the Giro and who knows the Vuelta...
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| helGn |
Posted on 24-07-2008 12:50
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is it sure his still the rider he was before he got fired? without dope racing for that long, isnt it a chance he needs a year before his top dog? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-07-2008 12:51
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CrueTrue wrote:
Times up the Alpe d'Huez
1 36' 50" Marco Pantani 1995
2 36' 55" Marco Pantani 1997
3 37' 15" Marco Pantani 1994
4 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004
5 37' 40" Jan Ullrich 1997
6 38' 05" Lance Armstrong 2001
7 38' 10" Miguel Induráin 1995
8 38' 10" Alex Zülle 1995
9 38' 15" Bjarne Riis 1995
10 38' 20" Richard Virenque 1997
Sastre's time? 40' 15' Carlos Sastre 2008
I'd say it's interesting  There's a mess with the place where you start measuring the time. Apparently Sastre did about 39'29" (down the first slopes), Pantani indeed did 36'54" there.
Is this a good sign ? Yes and no. In 2004 Sastre did about 39'54" in a time trial (also in the third week) and ended 9th of the stage (obviously you wouldn't end 9th of such a stage if you tried to slow down).
He climbed faster yesterday, despite climbing the Galibier and the Croix de Fer before, and having a front wind.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2008 13:16
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Aquarius wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Times up the Alpe d'Huez
1 36' 50" Marco Pantani 1995
2 36' 55" Marco Pantani 1997
3 37' 15" Marco Pantani 1994
4 37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004
5 37' 40" Jan Ullrich 1997
6 38' 05" Lance Armstrong 2001
7 38' 10" Miguel Induráin 1995
8 38' 10" Alex Zülle 1995
9 38' 15" Bjarne Riis 1995
10 38' 20" Richard Virenque 1997
Sastre's time? 40' 15' Carlos Sastre 2008
I'd say it's interesting There's a mess with the place where you start measuring the time. Apparently Sastre did about 39'29" (down the first slopes), Pantani indeed did 36'54" there.
Is this a good sign ? Yes and no. In 2004 Sastre did about 39'54" in a time trial (also in the third week) and ended 9th of the stage (obviously you wouldn't end 9th of such a stage if you tried to slow down).
He climbed faster yesterday, despite climbing the Galibier and the Croix de Fer before, and having a front wind.
Well...
I've seen a multitude of different measurements and they all conflict with what both of you said. So, let's just forget it.
Anyway, after little more than a third of the stage gone, Cunego is almost 10 minutes behind the peloton due to a fall. The peloton is on a tear today, so I doubt he'll finish inside the time limit
Edited by issoisso on 24-07-2008 13:23
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 24-07-2008 13:26
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Almost 14 minutes now for Cunego.... Byebye little italian
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-07-2008 13:32
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issoisso wrote:I've seen a multitude of different measurements and they all conflict with what both of you said. So, let's just forget it.
Anyway, after little more than a third of the stage gone, Cunego is almost 10 minutes behind the peloton due to a fall. The peloton is on a tear today, so I doubt he'll finish inside the time limit No matter if his time yesterday was a couple of seconds under or above his 2004 time or Pantani's time, I can hardly see it as a good sign that he can do the same performance, if not a better one, past his 30's and after climbing two tough mountains that he did without any mountain before.
To make it crystal clear : 1) dope has improved again 2) for those who didn't believe it, EPO makes you faster mountain after mountain, whereas a non-EPOed human would have his performance decreasing mountain after mountain
So : even if it's not as bad as in the mid-90's there's not too much to be proud of here |
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| Wyman |
Posted on 24-07-2008 14:10
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poor Damiano crashing again for the 4th time this tour? I feel sorry for him having a dreadful tour, hope he can pick himself up mentally for the rest of the season, especially the WC
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| Alesle |
Posted on 24-07-2008 14:28
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Aquarius wrote:
issoisso wrote:I've seen a multitude of different measurements and they all conflict with what both of you said. So, let's just forget it.
Anyway, after little more than a third of the stage gone, Cunego is almost 10 minutes behind the peloton due to a fall. The peloton is on a tear today, so I doubt he'll finish inside the time limit No matter if his time yesterday was a couple of seconds under or above his 2004 time or Pantani's time, I can hardly see it as a good sign that he can do the same performance, if not a better one, past his 30's and after climbing two tough mountains that he did without any mountain before.
To make it crystal clear : 1) dope has improved again 2) for those who didn't believe it, EPO makes you faster mountain after mountain, whereas a non-EPOed human would have his performance decreasing mountain after mountain
So : even if it's not as bad as in the mid-90's there's not too much to be proud of here
You know there's another way to look at is as well? If you disregard Sastre and look at the favourites gruoup (although they were accelerating/decelerating a lot), they did the climb in about 41'50". That's the same time as Fignon and Herrara did in the late 80s, just mentioning it...
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 24-07-2008 14:29
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Aquarius wrote:
issoisso wrote:I've seen a multitude of different measurements and they all conflict with what both of you said. So, let's just forget it.
Anyway, after little more than a third of the stage gone, Cunego is almost 10 minutes behind the peloton due to a fall. The peloton is on a tear today, so I doubt he'll finish inside the time limit No matter if his time yesterday was a couple of seconds under or above his 2004 time or Pantani's time, I can hardly see it as a good sign that he can do the same performance, if not a better one, past his 30's and after climbing two tough mountains that he did without any mountain before.
To make it crystal clear : 1) dope has improved again 2) for those who didn't believe it, EPO makes you faster mountain after mountain, whereas a non-EPOed human would have his performance decreasing mountain after mountain
So : even if it's not as bad as in the mid-90's there's not too much to be proud of here
very pessimistic Aquarius. Dope may have improved, but surely not all riders in the top 20 have been using it...Vandevelde, for example, you can pretty confident he'll be clean. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 24-07-2008 14:31
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I have to disagree with using Vandevelde as a clean example. Im not saying i think he is on dope and that i dont trust him. However, he is a an ex-lance helper and we know that this tour that one has been caught. Landis etc. Thats what i think |
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 24-07-2008 14:37
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Smoothie wrote:
I have to disagree with using Vandevelde as a clean example. Im not saying i think he is on dope and that i dont trust him. However, he is a an ex-lance helper and we know that this tour that one has been caught. Landis etc. Thats what i think
I can't vouch for his past, but certainly for this year's tour you can say he's likely to be clean. Also, I don't believe that just because a rider was part of the US postal set up that it automatically meant they doped - I'm sure a lot of them did, but surely there would be some that refused it. You have to remember that cyclists aren't sheep, they are people with a conscience and all can make a choice. |
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 24-07-2008 14:39
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I have to say most people that are on something are Up tight and dont want to talk to the cameras. Vandevelde is great always simling  Always jokings, i think he is a great guy. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-07-2008 15:24
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Wim Vansevenant has decided to quash our doubts and reveal what is it exactly he does:
He's in charge of keeping Evans out of the wind for the first 100kms of each non-mountain stage, then he gets to do whatever the heck he wants.
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| jolly_antunes |
Posted on 24-07-2008 15:25
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Like playing hide and seak with Sebastien Chavanel
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 24-07-2008 15:26
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issoisso wrote:
Wim Vansevenant has decided to quash our doubts and reveal what is it exactly he does:
He's in charge of keeping Evans out of the wind for the first 100kms of each non-mountain stage, then he gets to do whatever the heck he wants.
Which will be loosing some time to Sprick, as Wim is a better TT'er than Sprick
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 24-07-2008 15:27
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Lol, he must stop for coffee in a Cafe or something. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 24-07-2008 15:38
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My guese is that Barredo will win today.
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 24-07-2008 15:40
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Yeah hes the better climber so Barredo needs to put a bit of pressure on the climbs. |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 24-07-2008 15:42
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Barredo is being very pasive at the moment, but he is maybe waiting
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