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PCM.Daily Survivor S2: Reunion Show
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-01-2014 16:22
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Yeah i can clear that final team council up at Reunion....
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 22-01-2014 16:59
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@Jesleyh
You think that 'if you had a choice between a newbie and experienced player you'd vote for the experienced player
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-01-2014 17:15
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@The Hobbit
Well, in the individual part, it works like that yeah. In the team challenges, it's not always like that, depends on person 
@TMM I would like to have that cleared up as well.
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 22-01-2014 17:18
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You're saying I'm not a good person...
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-01-2014 17:21
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Nope, not at all
Read it again 
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 22-01-2014 19:32
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1. Did you think you would reach the final at the beginning of the game?
I wouldn't say i was expecting it, but i did think i could do it if i played it cleverly. My personal little aim was to make it to the merger, but i was always hoping for more. I never really thought i was considered a danger man, so i'm sure that helped as well.
2. Did you fear that you would get eliminated at one stage in the game?
No, not once. I felt at all times that my alliances with knockout or the other Tinkoffs would keep me safe, because effectively we had full control, except for if something unexpected like an immunity for our target would pop up, but even then there would always be a next-in-line that we could vote off. The only point where i was uncertain was right after the tribe mix up, where Puerto had an effective 3-2 majority. Luckily enough Jakstar was happy to vote off Marco as well, so everything was safe from then on.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-01-2014 19:33
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No, not once.
The only point where i was uncertain was right after the tribe mix up, where Puerto had an effective 3-2 majority
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-01-2014 19:36
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@Dippo + Knockout (Jesl gets a free pass)
1) List all your alliances, and how you feel they affected your game.
2) If alliances did not exist, do you think you earned your spot in the final on merit? And who else would have been there without alliances
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 22-01-2014 19:37
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Ooh, that's tough. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-01-2014 19:37
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I don't want a free pass
Though questions aren't easy, so it's okay
Edited by Jesleyh on 22-01-2014 19:38
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 22-01-2014 19:44
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1) List all your alliances, and how you feel they affected your game.
In the Tinkoff tribe i was just allied with knockout and had a truce with Jesleyh, whereas i tried getting closer to Jakstar in the mixed up tribes, as i explained in my opneing post, and then i was in the final alliance with knockout, Jseadog and Jakstar, though Jakstar was, at least to me, always going to be 4th, if even. I also had an alliance with Froome and Jesleyh, which i never really planned on pulling through fully, but much rather get Froome to the final three instead of Jseadog.
2) If alliances did not exist, do you think you earned your spot in the final on merit? And who else would have been there without alliances
I can't really tell. I wouldn't say i was easily the best or anything, but i definitely wasn't the worst either. I won the "biggest" challenge, and did my share of work in the tribe. I think that i could've probably won more challenges if id've been there for some of them, where it was about speed. But ultimately, i decided not to go "full-out" for the challenges before maybe the last three, so that people don't eliminate me, like it happened to Jseadog.
I think Jseadog is the only one where i'd say he deserved a place in the final hands down. He won the most challenges, and did a lot of work in the tribe. After that i could well picture you (TMM) in the final along side me, or brewers, because he showed some good work in the tribe, i believe he could've come a long way if his computer hadn't broken down.
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| knockout |
Posted on 22-01-2014 21:14
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1) List all your alliances, and how you feel they affected your game.
1. Jesleyh + knockout ( + Brewers somehow):
--> Jesleyh was the first one I had contact towards. I think this was the most dominant premerge alliance inside tinkov (at least it was more important to me at that point than every other alliance at that point.) So we for example decided that cunego or welker had to go.
Also, this alliance helped me to keep the control postmerge by controlling Jesleyh and Froomedog.
2. Dippo + Jseadog + knockout ( + Jakstar )
--> I had alliances with both of them before we made it a 3men-alliance. This one was my most important alliance after the merge because we controlled who has to go at what point. We decided when Selwink, Cycleman, TMM, Froomedog and Jakstar had to go.
( Jseadog + Jesleyh + knockout + TMM )
--> This one is very special because i only was informed that i would be in this one. I did not planned it and I never wanted it to exist and in fact it does not felt like an alliance at any point to me. e.g. i can't remember that i had any contact to TMM except inside the tribal chat for the 2 immunity challenges.
This one affected my plan as it made me play the immunity idol myself instead of giving it to Jseadog so it did hurt me more than everything else..
Beside that i had good relationship to one/two others but they never became an alliance. Especially froomedog comes to my mind.
2) If alliances did not exist, do you think you earned your spot in the final on merit? And who else would have been there without alliances
The first question is difficult because if there would not have been alliances the whole game would have changed. It's like the butterfly effect: You change one small part and everything else gets changed,too.
So my strategy would have been different to the one I actually played. But, I think i would have deserved it, too. I don't think that there are other's around who did spent much more time on the whole game than me. Some spent more on a specific challenge but if you look at the whole thing I can't think about someone who spend more time on it.
I think Jseadog would be there for sure. I don't have to tell you why i guess.
The other one would propably be TMM who did very good mind games at some point. (I had to convince some of the players in the alliance that he would not use his immunity idol when he was voted out). Also he showed his intelligence when he decided to intentionally lose the immunity challenge where we had to create the final four challenge to vote out Jseadog.
(i cannot say if his participation in the team challenges let him deserve it but what i saw was very convincing)
If it would not be him then it would propably be Jesleyh who was the only one beside me who was always there in the team challenges in tinkov. Although he did not that much than others in those challenge where you had to spend a very large amount of time like playing PacMan or finding GT winners.
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 22-01-2014 21:17
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Q1 - At what point did you think you had your final placed secured and why?
Q2 - How much control did you think you had on the other contestants during the game (in terms of voting choices)?
Edited by FroomeDog99 on 22-01-2014 21:18
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-01-2014 21:19
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Thank for the answers both, actually making me think a little bit which i was not expecting... Also:
Also, this alliance helped me to keep the control postmerge by controlling Jesleyh and Froomedog
Second best comment of the entire Season... behind "Tom Boonen"...
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 22-01-2014 21:23
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Tom Boonen
And yeah, knockout definitely had all control over me
I love question 2 Froomey. Fear that it might involve arguing, I hope not though
Cannot answer them now(mobile), tomorrow more likely
Edited by Jesleyh on 22-01-2014 21:25
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| knockout |
Posted on 22-01-2014 21:24
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Thank for the answers both, actually making me think a little bit which i was not expecting... Also:
Also, this alliance helped me to keep the control postmerge by controlling Jesleyh and Froomedog
Second best comment of the entire Season... behind "Tom Boonen"...
Sorry wasn't said that well. I just meant that it gave Jesleyh the feeling that he has everything under control so that he would not try to find another alliance which wasn't that good for me. I mean, although i had an alliance with Jesleyh I never really trusted him
I hope that explains it better
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 22-01-2014 21:33
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Jesleyh wrote:
I love question 2 Froomey. Fear that it might involve arguing, I hope not though
Cannot answer them now(mobile), tomorrow more likely
I know how strong each of you are in challenges after being on Tinkov with all of you. I'm trying to assess the tactical aspect more with my questions. |
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| knockout |
Posted on 22-01-2014 22:26
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Q1 - At what point did you think you had your final placed secured and why?
For me it was definitly when Froomedog was voted out. I already had the feeling after Selwink went out (now Tinkov had 5:4) but at that point I was sure. I knew Dippo would not vote me out because he thought of Jseadog as the bigger danger and did not had that much contact to Jesl and Jak. I also was sure that Jseadog would not vote out me before jesleyh. After voting out Froomedog i was the one next to Jesl so he could not vote me out as then he would be next to go. So the only vote i could have received then was Jakstar's one and i was sure that he would vote out Jesleyh before he would vote me as Jesl wasn't in our alliance.
So I just had to made sure that jesleyh gets into the final four with me to be 100% sure.
Q2 - How much control did you think you had on the other contestants during the game (in terms of voting choices)?
Not any control to anybody of O.Puerto except perhaps Jakstar in the end.
Jakstar: We 3 (dippo, Jseadog and me) had more or less control over Jakstar in the end. Although it was Jseadog who had him under the control the most because he had most contact with him.
cunego+dinger+welker: no control at all. they were gone too soon.
jt: in fact he controlled our votes by asking to get voted out himself. he wanted to test the redemption island tasks
brewers: we decided like partners (together with jesl) who was voted out until his computer was defect.
dippofix: i think i had him very much under my control as he always voted for the guy i wanted. Sorry dippo but i think thats the truth
Jseadog: we decided as partners although we had sometimes different opinions. e.g. voting out Jakstar/Jesleyh, voting out TMM/cycleman, voting out TMM/jesleyh.( bold is the one i wanted to go. ) I think i was the one who pushed it through more often. But i am sure that i pushed it through at the important TCs (for me).
Jesleyh: Difficult one. In the beginning we always decided as partners (together with brewers) although I sometimes gave him the feeling that he controls me by only asking which guy i should vote out (e.g. when voting out dinger) while i already had voted I knew that i couldn't tell him VOTE X like i did sometimes with Dippo or Froomedog but at every tribal council (sometimes even before the earlier tribal council ended). We had very long discussions then and in the end we mostly agreed on the same person we started with. I would not say that he controlled me or that i controlled him but i did everything so that i always knew his further votes and that i like these.
(i already know what he will say about controlling me by persuading me to vote out Jseadog for example but that is not true.
Of course he wanted to manipulate me into that but that did not had more impact on my decision than i had on his decisions..)
Froomedog: Also not that easy. i tried to control him at some point by instuct him to vote X or vote Y but i always knew that Jesleyh has more control on him. He always followed my instruction but i never knew how much control i really had on him. That was the reason he had to go..
I hope i did not forgot anyone. If so, then tell me and i will add some lines about this participants
Btw, very nice questions so far. Keep them coming
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 22-01-2014 22:31
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knockout wrote:
Jakstar: We 3 (dippo, Jseadog and me) had more or less control over Jakstar in the end. Although it was Jseadog who had him under the control the most because he had most contact with him.
That's mainly because I was the last Purito and I had to trust someone to get through as far as possible. Jseadog offered, I accepted
And I didn't vote for you knockout. I never voted for you
Edited by Jakstar22 on 22-01-2014 22:32
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| knockout |
Posted on 22-01-2014 22:41
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Thank for the answers both, actually making me think a little bit which i was not expecting... Also:
Also, this alliance helped me to keep the control postmerge by controlling Jesleyh and Froomedog
Second best comment of the entire Season... behind "Tom Boonen"...
Did you forgot my:
I thought this game is about who is the strongest participant and not the one with the best alliances ...
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@Jakstar Yeah I know and that was the reason why I said that we had you under our control. You did not had any choice.
But with Jseadog having the most impact on you i meant that let's say we would have took you into the final four so let's say: Me, You, Dippo and Jseadog (which was the final four jseadog wanted i think) and then Jseadog would have gotten immunity then you would have voted out the guy that Jseadog would have told you (whoever it would have been) and not Dippo what i would have told you. It was all about limitting the risks for me when voting you out instead of Jesl
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