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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 21-07-2014 16:53
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I don't mean to be the buzz kill here, but why are we arguing this point? I don't feel many of us have enough accurate knowledge about the situation to truly understand what is happening there. I have a very good friend who lives in Israel, and she has told me a lot about what happens there. Unless you have an inside source, or actually have been to either zone for extended period of time, I don't think you can truly grasp the debacle. Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood. Not to deny that we may know some things about it, but our perception may be skewed by the "glass dome effect". In my opinion, the only way to resolve the Gaza-Israeli issue is to wait for the civilians to tire out. The Hamas will always be an issue, but so will the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. It's unlikely they will ever truly go away. Just look at the KKK, they've been around for 120 years or something, and now just have less total influence.
Just my thoughts,
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-07-2014 18:29
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NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 18:43
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Being several thousand miles away doesn't give you a better understanding of the situation either. |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 18:46
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
this may be true. but remember, this conflict doesnt come up once in a year or 2.
i hear, every day, about every rocket launched from gaza towards israel and about every air strike launched by the IDF. |
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 21-07-2014 19:21
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Is that what I said? Read VERY carefully.
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:01
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kida wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Being several thousand miles away doesn't give you a better understanding of the situation either.
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased. |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:03
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Being several thousand miles away doesn't give you a better understanding of the situation either.
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
i also have the abillaty to watch al jazeera and to go to every news site there is... |
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:05
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
Don't tell me your media/government have got the true story? |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:06
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acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Being several thousand miles away doesn't give you a better understanding of the situation either.
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
i also have the abillaty to watch al jazeera and to go to every news site there is...
Then why haven't I read anything from you condemning some actions of your military/government? Or do you support attacks on ambulances? And destroying whole buildings with everyone inside it, with the justification of killing hamas members? |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:10
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kida wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
Don't tell me your media/government have got the true story?
Read again. I said israeli media probably doesn't cover both sides with impartiality. |
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:12
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
Don't tell me your media/government have got the true story?
Read again. I said israeli media probably doesn't cover both sides with impartiality.
Whilst I am a Jew, I don't live in Israel.
Oh and you didn't mention Israeli media, you said "You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased". |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:17
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Being several thousand miles away doesn't give you a better understanding of the situation either.
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
i also have the abillaty to watch al jazeera and to go to every news site there is...
Then why haven't I read anything from you condemning some actions of your military/government? Or do you support attacks on ambulances? And destroying whole buildings with everyone inside it, with the justification of killing hamas members?
i do condemn it. however i condemn the use of human sheilds even more.
i would also point out that while i never heard of the news site that you (atleast i think it was you) and i couldnt find anything about it on other websites. |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:22
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kida wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
Don't tell me your media/government have got the true story?
Read again. I said israeli media probably doesn't cover both sides with impartiality.
Whilst I am a Jew, I don't live in Israel.
Oh and you didn't mention Israeli media, you said " You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased".
I'm sorry, but weren't we talking about Israel? I was obviously speaking of someone who is on that side. |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:30
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acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Being several thousand miles away doesn't give you a better understanding of the situation either.
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
i also have the abillaty to watch al jazeera and to go to every news site there is...
Then why haven't I read anything from you condemning some actions of your military/government? Or do you support attacks on ambulances? And destroying whole buildings with everyone inside it, with the justification of killing hamas members?
i do condemn it. however i condemn the use of human sheilds even more.
i would also point out that while i never heard of the news site that you (atleast i think it was you) and i couldnt find anything about it on other websites.
That's a step forward.
Here's another link if you'd like about that journalist who died, with 2 other "accidents" with journalists:
https://www.nuj.org.uk/news/ifj-strong...st-khaled/ |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:34
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Being several thousand miles away doesn't give you a better understanding of the situation either.
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
i also have the abillaty to watch al jazeera and to go to every news site there is...
Then why haven't I read anything from you condemning some actions of your military/government? Or do you support attacks on ambulances? And destroying whole buildings with everyone inside it, with the justification of killing hamas members?
i do condemn it. however i condemn the use of human sheilds even more.
i would also point out that while i never heard of the news site that you (atleast i think it was you) and i couldnt find anything about it on other websites.
That's a step forward.
Here's another link if you'd like about that journalist who died, with 2 other "accidents" with journalists:
https://www.nuj.org.uk/news/ifj-strong...st-khaled/
I am also yet to hear you condemn the death of Israeli civilians. |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:39
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I obviously do, as I did with the use of human shields before. The death tolls however, can't be compared. The use of power from Israel is completely unbalanced, pretty much like fishing with grenades. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:40
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Interesting and pretty balanced article about the peace process instigated by John Kerry if anyone wishes to read it https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/...ed-it-burn |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:42
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We have a low death toll because of cautios behavior and iron dome. |
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 20:48
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
kida wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
That's usually correct, unless there's some sort of conflict, which is the case. And it's very simple to explain this. You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased.
Don't tell me your media/government have got the true story?
Read again. I said israeli media probably doesn't cover both sides with impartiality.
Whilst I am a Jew, I don't live in Israel.
Oh and you didn't mention Israeli media, you said " You're under the influence of your media/government, who is obviously biased".
I'm sorry, but weren't we talking about Israel? I was obviously speaking of someone who is on that side.
I maybe on that "side", but you wrongly assumed that I was in Israel and that I only had their media and government to tell me stuff, which in your eyes is lies.
So enlighten me what do your media and government say about the issue?
Edited by kida on 21-07-2014 20:56
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-07-2014 21:41
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NTTHRASH wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
NTTHRASH wrote:
Given that, acac lives there, and really, has more knowledge about this than we do, in most likelihood.
What bizarre logic. He lives on one side of the fight [the safe side] and as such is likely to have the most skewed view of the entire thing. Just being closer to the action doesn't mean you get a full view.
Is that what I said? Read VERY carefully.
That's what I took from your poor, meandering, wayward phrasing.
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