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2010 World Cup South Africa
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 28-06-2010 08:32
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in the biggest sporting tournament in the world, half of the second round games have been decided by major refereeing errors at a crucial time that would both have been ruled out with technology.
2 countries are going home because one man is too arrogant to put a camera in the goal. Blater should step down after the world cup. he is the one thing holding the sport back.
it wouldn't slow the game down at all. give each team 3 appeals per game. it takes seconds to view video evidence but minutes to calm down a team that knows it has been robbed.
every single person in that stadium last night knew that tevez's goal shouldn't have counted yet the referee didn't have the balls to do anything about it. why couldn't he change his mind and do the right thing?
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| Lorkan |
Posted on 28-06-2010 09:13
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ruben wrote:
I'm not talking about normal mistakes, this was a blunder.
And world class goalies don't make blunders at world cups.
I don't think I told "world class" gk, I didn't call him Buffon, Schmeichel or Van der Sar... (and those all made at least one mistake in a WC, don't ask me which, I won't take time to find them, but every gk, even "world class" gk make some) but Neuer is still an excellent goalkeeper, I think a lot of clubs and nations would like to have him... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 28-06-2010 09:16
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Vd Sar never made a mistake at the world cup. He lost some penalty shoot-outs, but that isn't a mistake
I can't remember Schmeichel ever making a mistake at a big tournament either |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 28-06-2010 09:25
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i think ruben is talking about the difference between mistakes, like rob greens against USA.
and simple errors in judgement like constantly coming for crosses and missing the ball or punching instead of catching.
all goalies make mistakes. but world class ones make less because they don't make errors in judgement.
a world class keeper knows exactly where his post are, when to claim a catch or when to leave it, when to rush out and when to stay on his line.
Germany wouldn't have scored their first goal yesterday if James had been a world class keeper and came off his line to claim the ball straight away.
every keeper in the world is a good shot stopper, otherwise you wouldn't be a keeper. the difference in world class keepers is they can command their area and know when to come out and when to stay etc.
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| ruben |
Posted on 28-06-2010 13:54
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Excactly
Anyway, line up Netherlands is known
GK: Stekelenburg
DR: Van der Wiel
DC: Heitinga
DC: Mathijssen
DL: Van Bronckhorst
DM: Van Bommel
DM: De Jong
LM: Kuyty
RM: Robben
AM: Sneijder
SC: Van Persie
So Robben in the starting line up, at the right, Kuyt moved to the left. Vd Vaart out with injury, but frankly, that's ok. |
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Posted on 28-06-2010 14:00
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ruben wrote:
So Robben in the starting line up, at the right, Kuyt moved to the left. Vd Vaart out with injury, but frankly, that's ok.
Actually that's great news. Worst player on our team. Not just out of position.
I hope his injury takes three weeks to heal.
Edited by filmmaker14 on 28-06-2010 14:03
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Posted on 28-06-2010 14:02
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ruben wrote:
He lost some penalty shoot-outs, but that isn't a mistake
It's not a lottery either. V.d.Sar should have learned to stop penalties much earlier in his career. For years his decision making on penalties was abysmal. It was his worst attribute, I think. |
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Posted on 28-06-2010 14:12
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ringo182 wrote:
2 countries are going home because one man is too arrogant to put a camera in the goal.
So, you're like billions of persons who likes rewriting History. Argentina wouldn't have scored, and so they wouldn't have won the game for sure 
As for England, they played the match so bad tactically, that they can only blame themselves.
ringo182 wrote:
give each team 3 appeals per game.
So, when a team has spent its 3 challenges, and there's a goal scored with an off-side, then what do you do ? That'd raise even more discussions, and so on...
I'm not basically speaking against video review, but I don't really see how it could be used in the best way.
It could be really helpful for a goal in-goal out situation, but do you use video review on every off-side that's suspicious ?
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| bfreire |
Posted on 28-06-2010 14:21
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ruben wrote:
Excactly
Anyway, line up Netherlands is known
GK: Stekelenburg
DR: Van der Wiel
DC: Heitinga
DC: Mathijssen
DL: Van Bronckhorst
DM: Van Bommel
DM: De Jong
LM: Kuyty
RM: Robben
AM: Sneijder
SC: Van Persie
So Robben in the starting line up, at the right, Kuyt moved to the left. Vd Vaart out with injury, but frankly, that's ok.
Let Elia play instead of robben , he need his rest
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 28-06-2010 14:21
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Juan wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
2 countries are going home because one man is too arrogant to put a camera in the goal.
So, you're like billions of persons who likes rewriting History. Argentina wouldn't have scored, and so they wouldn't have won the game for sure
As for England, they played the match so bad tactically, that they can only blame themselves.
so your saying that both games would have ended the same way if both mistakes hadn't been made?
so if England had gone in 2-2 at the break they would have still gone all out in the second and got caught on the break twice?
If Mexico hadn't been cheated they would still have lost their heads abit and given away a sloppy second goal?
I'm not saying the results would have been different, but you can't say they had no effect. Both mistakes had a huge effect on the overall result and pretty much sent England and Mexico out of the World Cup.
yes England played badly but at the point when the "second goal" went in we were the better team and had Germany on the back foot.
How you can say any different is beyond me and your simply wrong. |
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Posted on 28-06-2010 14:22
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Juan wrote:
So, you're like billions of persons who likes rewriting History. Argentina wouldn't have scored, and so they wouldn't have won the game for sure
As for England, they played the match so bad tactically, that they can only blame themselves.
Both matches would have been different had the referees taken the correct decision. That doesn't mean that it's sure that England and Mexico would have gone through to the next round, though, but it'd have been different, that's for sure. |
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Posted on 28-06-2010 14:23
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Juan wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
2 countries are going home because one man is too arrogant to put a camera in the goal.
So, you're like billions of persons who likes rewriting History. Argentina wouldn't have scored, and so they wouldn't have won the game for sure
Mexico outplayed Argentina before the goal. And after the goal they lost it. Second goal may not have happened like that when it's still 0-0.
Has nothing to do with rewriting history. Got something to do with getting it right the first time. |
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| Juan |
Posted on 28-06-2010 14:46
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ringo182 wrote:
Juan wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
2 countries are going home because one man is too arrogant to put a camera in the goal.
So, you're like billions of persons who likes rewriting History. Argentina wouldn't have scored, and so they wouldn't have won the game for sure
As for England, they played the match so bad tactically, that they can only blame themselves.
so your saying that both games would have ended the same way if both mistakes hadn't been made?
so if England had gone in 2-2 at the break they would have still gone all out in the second and got caught on the break twice?
If Mexico hadn't been cheated they would still have lost their heads abit and given away a sloppy second goal?
I'm not saying the results would have been different, but you can't say they had no effect. Both mistakes had a huge effect on the overall result and pretty much sent England and Mexico out of the World Cup.
yes England played badly but at the point when the "second goal" went in we were the better team and had Germany on the back foot.
How you can say any different is beyond me and your simply wrong.
Obviously I didn't mean that.
Obviously it could've been different had the goals be allowed or disallowed (for Argentina).
But you can't say they're going home for that only reason, especially concerning England, who, I repeat it, did play the end of the match in a really bad way tactically.
I just don't like people (not necessarily you) who likes to say : "if the referee had allowed that goal, then they'd have won", like the irish guy one or two weeks ago.
That upsets me a lot.
The problem isn't about video review or not, it's really about the way refereeing is, and that's what FIFA, UEFA and International Board have to change mainly.
Because you can add video review, but if you don't work on the human part, then everything'll be useless.
That's just incredible the linesman didn't see the ball in during GER-ENG, and it's also incredible Mr Rosetti didn't disallow the goal, knowing there was an off-side. It's all because referees don't want to go back on their linemens' decisions.
ringo182 wrote:
yes England played badly but at the point when the "second goal" went in we were the better team and had Germany on the back foot.
I don't like to say that sort of things, but if England had used their brains a bit during 2nd half, they'd tried to get a compensation, knowing the referee had seen his bad call during half time. They didn't put pressure on Germany fullbacks, in order to get a red card or something.
And even though Capello is a great coach, he's made really bad choices.
Edited by Juan on 28-06-2010 14:52
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Posted on 28-06-2010 14:52
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Fact is: No one knows what would have happened if the decisions had been correct - and that's the problem. I'd love to know  |
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Posted on 28-06-2010 15:05
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Looks like a good afternoon for me as Slovakia are going to beat Netherlands 
Edited by Whatsup on 28-06-2010 15:05
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Posted on 28-06-2010 15:16
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Jean-Pierre Escalettes has resigned as president of the French Football Federation after France's World Cup fiasco. Thanks, it'll go a bit better now
Edited by Whatsup on 28-06-2010 15:17
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| Juan |
Posted on 28-06-2010 15:19
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That was a "typical" Robben goal. 
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Posted on 28-06-2010 15:19
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Whatsup wrote:
Looks like a good afternoon for me as Slovakia are going to beat Netherlands
Of course it does to you. But give it up, nobody is going to challenge the French for most embarrassing team of the tournament.
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Posted on 28-06-2010 15:23
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filmmaker14 wrote:
Whatsup wrote:
Looks like a good afternoon for me as Slovakia are going to beat Netherlands
Of course it does to you. But give it up, nobody is going to challenge the French for most embarrassing team of the tournament.
1-0
I should've put another smiley in my post:
Edited by Whatsup on 28-06-2010 15:25
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Posted on 28-06-2010 15:46
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filmmaker14 wrote:
Whatsup wrote:
Looks like a good afternoon for me as Slovakia are going to beat Netherlands
Of course it does to you. But give it up, nobody is going to challenge the French for most embarrassing team of the tournament.
1-0
Well, Italy's not that far
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