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| Bikex |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:20
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kida wrote:
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Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:26
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acac wrote:
@avin- the UN gave it to us, the way I see it it's rightfully ours.
Not wanted to post here first. But I have to ask this question.
If UN would say, cut the country into 2 halfs and give one half to the Palestinians, then I doubt the Israels would be happy and stop, right?
So a decision by the UN is only acceptable in one direction I guess.
I can understand that the Israels want the country that have been given to them, but they must be aware, that others have lost their country that way.
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:27
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Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:30
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kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too.
British Mandate of Palestine. Not Israel. The fact Israel was even created should have been enough for the Israelis, but instead they decided they wanted more land. |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:31
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roturn wrote:
acac wrote:
@avin- the UN gave it to us, the way I see it it's rightfully ours.
Not wanted to post here first. But I have to ask this question.
If UN would say, cut the country into 2 halfs and give one half to the Palestinians, then I doubt the Israels would be happy and stop, right?
So a decision by the UN is only acceptable in one direction I guess.
I can understand that the Israels want the country that have been given to them, but they must be aware, that others have lost their country that way.
If the UN cuts the country in half=plan of partition.
We accepted it, the Arabs refused. So the real question here is will the Arabs agree living with us next to them. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:32
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kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too.
Like you said, that was long before. The difference is that the Palestinians that were expelled from there still live or at least have direct still living descendants. The jews weren't living there for almost 2000 years. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:32
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jph27 wrote:
kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too.
British Mandate of Palestine. Not Israel. The fact Israel was even created should have been enough for the Israelis, but instead they decided they wanted more land.
They actually gained that land in military operations after they were attacked by Arabian league, so not expansion really, but i think the land should be returned when the peace was made.
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Posted on 21-07-2014 15:33
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Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too.
Like you said, that was long before. The difference is that the Palestinians that were expelled from there still live or at least have direct still living descendants. The jews weren't living there for almost 2000 years.
So if we kick the Palestinians to Europe and wait 2000 years then it's rightfully ours? |
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:36
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roturn wrote:
acac wrote:
@avin- the UN gave it to us, the way I see it it's rightfully ours.
Not wanted to post here first. But I have to ask this question.
If UN would say, cut the country into 2 halfs and give one half to the Palestinians, then I doubt the Israels would be happy and stop, right?
So a decision by the UN is only acceptable in one direction I guess.
I can understand that the Israels want the country that have been given to them, but they must be aware, that others have lost their country that way.
You should look at the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. The Israelites accepted this but the Arab world rejected it.
Before the 6 day war in 1967, Garza was occupied by Egypt and the West Bank was occupied by Jordan. The Arab world have only had the interests of the Palestinian 'cause' since they lost the land in the 6 day war. Unless you can show me documents from prior 1967 where Egypt, Jordan etc supported the Palestinian cause and were planning to give the land back.
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:38
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acac wrote:
You are aware that Hamas' HQ is located a the basement of al shifa hospital?
Also, had we wanted to slaughter Palestinians then making a field hospital near gaza is a bit counter productive isn't it?
And you're aware I didn't mention any al-shifa hospital? I mentioned ambulances, one of which had a journalist inside.
And counter productive? It's just another version of the big bad wolf, who hides in sheep skin. More than 500 civilians killed isn't a slaughter? What would you call it then, a blessing?
Fact: Israel is comitting crimes against humanity. None of your propaganda is gonna change that.
@kida, you're forgetting the territory Israel has stolen even after the war. |
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:40
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Bikex wrote:
Like you said, that was long before. The difference is that the Palestinians that were expelled from there still live or at least have direct still living descendants. The jews weren't living there for almost 2000 years.
Can you show me the document that shows that "Jews didn't live there for almost 2000 years".
If you do your research you'll find that whilst the land was part of the Ottoman Empire there were Jews who lived there and before the Ottoman Empire controlled the land.
Edited by kida on 21-07-2014 15:45
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:42
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
You are aware that Hamas' HQ is located a the basement of al shifa hospital?
Also, had we wanted to slaughter Palestinians then making a field hospital near gaza is a bit counter productive isn't it?
And you're aware I didn't mention any al-shifa hospital? I mentioned ambulances, one of which had a journalist inside.
And counter productive? It's just another version of the big bad wolf, who hides in sheep skin. More than 500 civilians killed isn't a slaughter? What would you call it then, a blessing?
Fact: Israel is comitting crimes against humanity. None of your propaganda is gonna change that.
@kida, you're forgetting the territory Israel has stolen even after the war.
i would like you to point out the case of the ambulance with the jurnalist(news article or something).
and what territory did we steal before the war? |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:43
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More Arabs than Jews though in those times. And Jews live in places other than Arabia, funnily enough. So why should they automatically have Palestine based on religious texts? |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:47
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acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
You are aware that Hamas' HQ is located a the basement of al shifa hospital?
Also, had we wanted to slaughter Palestinians then making a field hospital near gaza is a bit counter productive isn't it?
And you're aware I didn't mention any al-shifa hospital? I mentioned ambulances, one of which had a journalist inside.
And counter productive? It's just another version of the big bad wolf, who hides in sheep skin. More than 500 civilians killed isn't a slaughter? What would you call it then, a blessing?
Fact: Israel is comitting crimes against humanity. None of your propaganda is gonna change that.
@kida, you're forgetting the territory Israel has stolen even after the war.
i would like you to point out the case of the ambulance with the jurnalist(news article or something).
and what territory did we steal before the war?
https://www.worldbulletin.net/news/141...l-up-to-50
It's not hard to google it you know, unless your internet is being censored. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:48
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acac wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too.
Like you said, that was long before. The difference is that the Palestinians that were expelled from there still live or at least have direct still living descendants. The jews weren't living there for almost 2000 years.
So if we kick the Palestinians to Europe and wait 2000 years then it's rightfully ours?
That argumentation is dumb, You can't compare something from that long ago with today.
kida wrote:
You should look at the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. The Israelites accepted this but the Arab world rejected it.
I think it's quite understandable. Noone would have accepted that plan if they were in the situation of the Arabs. They were the bigger group of population and got only 50% of the land that was before only populated by them. |
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| kida |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:50
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Bikex wrote:
I think it's quite understandable. Noone would have accepted that plan if they were in the situation of the Arabs. They were the bigger group of population and got only 50% of the land that was before only populated by them.
But it wasn't only populated by them. Wait you don't think that Jews just turned up there after WW2 ended? |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:52
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kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
I think it's quite understandable. Noone would have accepted that plan if they were in the situation of the Arabs. They were the bigger group of population and got only 50% of the land that was before only populated by them.
But it wasn't only populated by them. Wait you don't think that Jews just turned up there after WW2 ended?
Mostly populated by them 
You know what I mean |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 15:54
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Bikex wrote:
acac wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too.
Like you said, that was long before. The difference is that the Palestinians that were expelled from there still live or at least have direct still living descendants. The jews weren't living there for almost 2000 years.
So if we kick the Palestinians to Europe and wait 2000 years then it's rightfully ours?
That argumentation is dumb, You can't compare something from that long ago with today.
kida wrote:
You should look at the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. The Israelites accepted this but the Arab world rejected it.
I think it's quite understandable. Noone would have accepted that plan if they were in the situation of the Arabs. They were the bigger group of population and got only 50% of the land that was before only populated by them.
fun fact: the map of the partition plan was based on one thing only: where do jewish people live and where arab people live. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 21-07-2014 16:00
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acac wrote:
Bikex wrote:
acac wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Bikex wrote:
kida wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Give them what is rightfuly theirs and they will stop trying to kill you hopefully.
When did the land belong to Palestinians in the first place?
It has a very long Arab history, just before the British had the power over it before doesn't mean there weren't Palesinians living.
And long before the British had power over it many other empires ruled the land and there were Jews who lived there too.
Like you said, that was long before. The difference is that the Palestinians that were expelled from there still live or at least have direct still living descendants. The jews weren't living there for almost 2000 years.
So if we kick the Palestinians to Europe and wait 2000 years then it's rightfully ours?
That argumentation is dumb, You can't compare something from that long ago with today.
kida wrote:
You should look at the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. The Israelites accepted this but the Arab world rejected it.
I think it's quite understandable. Noone would have accepted that plan if they were in the situation of the Arabs. They were the bigger group of population and got only 50% of the land that was before only populated by them.
fun fact: the map of the partition plan was based on one thing only: where do jewish people live and where arab people live.
In the Jewish part there were the most Jews living, but the majority was still Arab. |
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| acac |
Posted on 21-07-2014 16:01
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source for that? |
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