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| Smoothie |
Posted on 23-07-2008 18:37
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He is a big lad, and he packs a lot of Power. As ive said, he is similar to Cancellara. |
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Posted on 23-07-2008 19:05
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Smoothie wrote:
He is a big lad, and he packs a lot of Power. As ive said, he is similar to Cancellara.
Indurain was a big lad too.
"Kraftværket fra Rostock, en stor bastant trampende tysker, en torpedo, der skydes gennem luftrummet, en bombe af kraft, pløjer nærmest asfalten op, benene går som store stempler på den tyske maskine, en rullende bismarcksklump."
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Posted on 23-07-2008 19:08
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issoisso wrote:
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As to wings of the yellow jersey, look at MR last. He was a worse time trialist than Sastre and he came in top 20 on the TT in Albi.
And then they found second-generation EPO in his urine...
A better comparison is Pereiro, who lost 1:40 without the jersey and 1:29 when he had the jersey. If Landis wasn't half-dead from the monster solo effort he had done, he would've lost more time.
Sastre has a chance that's equal to the chance of Evans crashing/getting sick/whatever. meaning: extremely small 
I forgot about Pereriro. He's a fine example too , but as to the story about the Dynepo they've found in his urine, the president of the french anti-doping agency declined that story a few days ago.
"Kraftværket fra Rostock, en stor bastant trampende tysker, en torpedo, der skydes gennem luftrummet, en bombe af kraft, pløjer nærmest asfalten op, benene går som store stempler på den tyske maskine, en rullende bismarcksklump."
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Posted on 23-07-2008 19:11
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Great race from CSC. Very nice accelerating - slowing down play in group by Schlecks to let Sastre gain more.
TT is not a pure power TT, but rather hilly one. That's a BIG plus for Sastre, he would do worse in one where you can go with steady rhythm.
But one thing surprised me a lot!
Why did they not let especially Efimkin to jump up to Sastre early in the attack, but covered? If Sastre had a partner capable of staying with him and make at least 10-15 % of the work,that would have been worth of sacrificing stage win for extra half a minute.
Also : Andy looked SO STRONG that he probably could have flown up to Carlos when gap was at 30 secs. and do it so fast that no one else could have followed without cracking.
They were putting their GC eggs in Sastre's basket so why use Andy to help Maillot Jeune or quarantee "just" a stage win?
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Posted on 23-07-2008 19:20
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Btw, as some one said, Evans got a huge amount of help from riders/teams with smaller targets.
AG2R was a) trying to minimise gap for team classification. They managed to stay in touch with CSC if they manage one HUGE breakaway & b ) moving duo of Efimkin & Valjavec to top 10 after Kirchen cracked.
Valverde was also attacking against (pick your choice) Vandevelde, Sammy Sanchez, Kirchen.
Why did Vandevelde pull? That's harder to understand. Maybe he saw Kohl in difficulty, but he didn't really appear to have much to gain.
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| THNDDK |
Posted on 23-07-2008 19:23
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seldon71 wrote:
But one thing surprised me a lot!
Why did they not let especially Efimkin to jump up to Sastre early in the attack, but covered? If Sastre had a partner capable of staying with him and make at least 10-15 % of the work,that would have been worth of sacrificing stage win for extra half a minute.
Also : Andy looked SO STRONG that he probably could have flown up to Carlos when gap was at 30 secs. and do it so fast that no one else could have followed without cracking.
They were putting their GC eggs in Sastre's basket so why use Andy to help Maillot Jeune or quarantee "just" a stage win?
Looking bad it could have been a possibility, but they decided to use him and Frank to mark Evans and batter him with their accelerations, but yeah, Andy could've been a good a helper for "Carlito".
Anyhoo, another great race from the team, and one step closer the overall victory in GC. It's going to be one hell of a TT, but the route isn't as hilly a it looks like.
"Kraftværket fra Rostock, en stor bastant trampende tysker, en torpedo, der skydes gennem luftrummet, en bombe af kraft, pløjer nærmest asfalten op, benene går som store stempler på den tyske maskine, en rullende bismarcksklump."
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Posted on 23-07-2008 19:46
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issoisso wrote:
Timovic wrote:
As to wings of the yellow jersey, look at MR last. He was a worse time trialist than Sastre and he came in top 20 on the TT in Albi.
And then they found second-generation EPO in his urine...
A better comparison is Pereiro, who lost 1:40 without the jersey and 1:29 when he had the jersey. If Landis wasn't half-dead from the monster solo effort he had done, he would've lost more time.
Sastre has a chance that's equal to the chance of Evans crashing/getting sick/whatever. meaning: extremely small
Well, first of all, if you remove Vino as the winner, Rasmussen actually finished 10 on that stage. As for the Dynepo.. Even if it had turned out to be true, you dont improve your time trial by 4-5 minuttes. Indeed the chances of Sastre winning aint that great, but its still possible  |
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Posted on 23-07-2008 19:59
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Except that that time trial had 2 major climbs and could be called anything but flat
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:02
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Wasn't there a TT stage in last years Vuelta where Sastre finished 22 secs ahead of Evans?
"Kraftværket fra Rostock, en stor bastant trampende tysker, en torpedo, der skydes gennem luftrummet, en bombe af kraft, pløjer nærmest asfalten op, benene går som store stempler på den tyske maskine, en rullende bismarcksklump."
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:15
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Timovic wrote:
Wasn't there a TT stage in last years Vuelta where Sastre finished 22 secs ahead of Evans?
no.
despite sastre being in his best form of the season and Evans half-dead, Sastre lost time on both the long power TT and the short very technical TT
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:19
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well..Sastre will probably have he's best TT ever...but it isnt good enough.
But after all..we all looking GC table..dont forget Sastre took today queen stage win..with style.Playing smart...it seems like all this week he has been holding himself back..and but today everything out.
Fun moment..remember how Menchov was trying to follow....and this almost turned out disaster for him. But he came back..(thanks to CSC tactics)..great one.
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:23
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It would take the ride of his life combined with a crash by Evans maybe. |
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:31
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btw did Froome collapse on the final climb, one moment he was in Menchovs wheel but he ended 31st 
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:32
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My mind keeps going back to Frank Schleck's words yesterday thanking Sastre for not attacking when he could've so Schleck wouldn't be dropped...
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:42
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Another super strong ride from cunego today , God he's made my tour so enjoyable
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:46
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Just watched the stage, and great ride by Sastre.
Although if the two Schleck's rode for Silence, Evans would be in guaranteed yellow. They looked fresh nearly the whole way up
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-07-2008 20:48
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issoisso wrote:
My mind keeps going back to Frank Schleck's words yesterday thanking Sastre for not attacking when he could've so Schleck wouldn't be dropped...
Indeed..maybe that was Riis mystake..if he should release that animal yesterday...but it is If. |
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:57
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Wyman wrote:
Another super strong ride from cunego today , God he's made my tour so enjoyable
Ouch bet you free terrible after this years tour Wyman. I feel for you. |
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Posted on 23-07-2008 20:57
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Crommy wrote:
Just watched the stage, and great ride by Sastre.
Although if the two Schleck's rode for Silence, Evans would be in guaranteed yellow. They looked fresh nearly the whole way up
Mostly Andy i admire he's fans today. He was so relaxed...countered easy after any breakaway attempt. Friends this is a look for rider who hasnt any pressure |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-07-2008 20:59
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Smoothie wrote:
Wyman wrote:
Another super strong ride from cunego today , God he's made my tour so enjoyable
Ouch bet you free terrible after this years tour Wyman. I feel for you.
Indeed wyman..black tour for you. Good luck in Lombardia tour..this is best race for Cunego |
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