All sides of any conflict have their reasons for doing what they do.
If there is one country to blame for all of this, you shouldn't go past America. Must have their foot in everything, when they clearly don't understand the situation. Obama seems to be curbing the poor decisions of his predecessor aka BUSH.
Was going to post my opinion here, but as I haven't been active in a bit I see that much of what I wanted to say has been addressed. Looks like it's settled down a bit, so I'll leave it be.
But it's really difficult to judge an ethical debate between right and wrong in a matter such as this though..it's all relative. I can only say that hypocrisy gives us the illusions of a clear-cut line.
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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Cycleman123 wrote:
On the difficult topics thing, I don't want to keep it going here, but I just wanted to say, you don't necessarily support the killers, but in war that's what happens, and while you don't support the killers and the killing in general, you may support the side which does those killings. In war, both sides are always guilty of killing people
There's huge difference between killing innocent people and killing soldiers in war. War is supposed to be soldiers versus soldiers, army versus army and not army versus innocent, normal, poor people that are mostly women and kids and can't defend themselves, at all. Does the number of 340(!) dead Palestinian people in last 12/13 days tell something? What's number of dead Israel people in the meantime (not talking about army)? Zero, of course it's zero. That's the main difference between people who kill for freedom and people who kill for being thirsty of blood.
One side wants their teritory back, while another one wants blood. That's the main point, my friend.
Edited by admirschleck on 20-07-2014 04:46
Lol, of course it's intentional. As I mentioned in some of my last few posts, Israel army is killing and destroying everyone and everything they meet on their path. Their goal is clear - destroy everything you find and kill every single person you meet. I guess that's clear by now.. Most international laws and agreements are broken and yet nobody from West (talking to administrative people, goverments etc) and different organizations reacts to this. It's easiest to close your eyes and pretend nothing is happening, while tens and even hundreds of people are being brutaly killed everyday.
Edited by admirschleck on 20-07-2014 04:58
Well that's not good then. Just reminding you, that I never said I support Israel (or Palestine). In fact, I am not informed on this topic, and I haven't participated in the converstation. The only thing I said was that it's not okay how you were insulting acac. He is a human being too, he has never killed anybody, and just because he supports the side you don't support, doesn't give you a right to insult him like that.
a few points:
1)the IDF never kills civillians intentionality. that is a result of hamas using human shields.
2)israeli civilians have died. one died last tuesday and anthor died friday. also, there is a 3 month old infant in the hospital (daughter of the guy who died friday) and the doctors are still fighting for her life.
3)the diffrence of number of deaths comes from 3 reasons- iron dome and bomb shelters on our side and use of human shields on the palestinian side.
4)dosent matter what is going on and what you think is going on, theres no excuse to what you called me.
acac wrote:
a few points:
1)the IDF never kills civillians intentionality. that is a result of hamas using human shields.
2)israeli civilians have died. one died last tuesday and anthor died friday. also, there is a 3 month old infant in the hospital (daughter of the guy who died friday) and the doctors are still fighting for her life.
3)the diffrence of number of deaths comes from 3 reasons- iron dome and bomb shelters on our side and use of human shields on the palestinian side.
4)dosent matter what is going on and what you think is going on, theres no excuse to what you called me.
Maybe they don't kill civilians intentionally, but they did intercept boats with humanitary help for the civilians more than once, not allowing medicine and food to reach the dying population (not the army - the population).
To me, that should be a war crime. Maybe it even is, I'm not sure.
acac wrote:
a few points:
1)the IDF never kills civillians intentionality. that is a result of hamas using human shields.
2)israeli civilians have died. one died last tuesday and anthor died friday. also, there is a 3 month old infant in the hospital (daughter of the guy who died friday) and the doctors are still fighting for her life.
3)the diffrence of number of deaths comes from 3 reasons- iron dome and bomb shelters on our side and use of human shields on the palestinian side.
4)dosent matter what is going on and what you think is going on, theres no excuse to what you called me.
Maybe they don't kill civilians intentionally, but they did intercept boats with humanitary help for the civilians more than once, not allowing medicine and food to reach the dying population (not the army - the population).
To me, that should be a war crime. Maybe it even is, I'm not sure.
acac wrote:
a few points:
1)the IDF never kills civillians intentionality. that is a result of hamas using human shields.
2)israeli civilians have died. one died last tuesday and anthor died friday. also, there is a 3 month old infant in the hospital (daughter of the guy who died friday) and the doctors are still fighting for her life.
3)the diffrence of number of deaths comes from 3 reasons- iron dome and bomb shelters on our side and use of human shields on the palestinian side.
4)dosent matter what is going on and what you think is going on, theres no excuse to what you called me.
Maybe they don't kill civilians intentionally, but they did intercept boats with humanitary help for the civilians more than once, not allowing medicine and food to reach the dying population (not the army - the population).
To me, that should be a war crime. Maybe it even is, I'm not sure.
acac wrote:
a few points:
1)the IDF never kills civillians intentionality. that is a result of hamas using human shields.
2)israeli civilians have died. one died last tuesday and anthor died friday. also, there is a 3 month old infant in the hospital (daughter of the guy who died friday) and the doctors are still fighting for her life.
3)the diffrence of number of deaths comes from 3 reasons- iron dome and bomb shelters on our side and use of human shields on the palestinian side.
4)dosent matter what is going on and what you think is going on, theres no excuse to what you called me.
Maybe they don't kill civilians intentionally, but they did intercept boats with humanitary help for the civilians more than once, not allowing medicine and food to reach the dying population (not the army - the population).
To me, that should be a war crime. Maybe it even is, I'm not sure.
if stuff like that are not found on the ship whatever was on it is brought to the gaza strip through the border crossings.
Is it possible Israel disposed of these items?
im pretty sure the weapons are rusting at some warehouse.
if there is food/medicine/... on the ship it gets to the gaza strip through the kerem shalom border pass.
also, on a day to day basis, we pass 3 trucks full of humanitarian supplys that were paid for by our goverment.
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
One or two israeli civilians have died!!!
What about the hundreds of Palestinian civilians?
look at my post. the gap comes because while we have iron dome and bomb shelters they have leaders telling them to stand on roof tops to be used as human sheilds.
I can´t fell sorry for the palestinian. As long as they choose to fight their war with bombs around their waist, walking into a schoolbus and blowing them self and a lot children up. Put on a UNIFORM, and show your colours. I hope that Israel will finished this once and for all. SORRY
zachbastian wrote:
I can´t fell sorry for the palestinian. As long as they choose to fight their war with bombs around their waist, walking into a schoolbus and blowing them self and a lot children up. Put on a UNIFORM, and show your colours. I hope that Israel will finished this once and for all. SORRY
Because bombing innocent civilians is ok as long as your Israeli? Evicting people from their homes and invading their territory is fine as long as you wear a uniform? Yes, there are some unsavoury actions by the Palestineans. But the actions of Israel are far worse and a lot harder to defend.
zachbastian wrote:
I can´t fell sorry for the palestinian. As long as they choose to fight their war with bombs around their waist, walking into a schoolbus and blowing them self and a lot children up. Put on a UNIFORM, and show your colours. I hope that Israel will finished this once and for all. SORRY
Because bombing innocent civilians is ok as long as your Israeli? Evicting people from their homes and invading their territory is fine as long as you wear a uniform? Yes, there are some unsavoury actions by the Palestineans. But the actions of Israel are far worse and a lot harder to defend.
those innocent civilians are being used by hamas as human shields. there is no argument that the avrage gazan is a victim, but hamas is the criminal.
