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The Difficult Topics
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| acac |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:18
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admirschleck wrote:
Israel came to Palestines teritory. Therefore, Israel was the first one that started all of this. Of course you'd expect people to defend their teritory, would you? You should turn on your brain.
And yes, I hate Israel. And yes, I am happy with Israel soldiers being dead. And no, you can't take that from me, sorry. You made so much pain to poor Islamic people there (that would be hungry and thirsty even without your evil, wannabe country, American creation) and you're now pretending that you're not guilty and as naive kid. How sad! Your avatar talks enough, though.
You should try searching another source for your informations. Sadly enough, what I said is confirmed on local news (that are Serbian and has no connection to Islamic people).
i said it before and i will say it again- there was never a state called palestine.
israel was declared on may 14th 1948. the ones who controled that area on may 13th 1948 were the british.
not going to dignify the 2nd part with a response.
i am very good-fluent in 2 languages(hebrew and english) and my arabic is almost decent. none of the news sources that i know in those has reported more than one israeli solider dead. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:29
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274 Palestinian people are dead in 11 days, while more than 2 thousands are injured. Are you happy now heartless killer?
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| acac |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:32
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admirschleck wrote:
274 Palestinian people are dead in 11 days, while more than 2 thousands are injured. Are you happy now heartless killer?
when have i ever said i am happy people are dead? about the last word there: i never killed anyone in my life so dont bring this discussion down to a personal level. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:33
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You're supporting Israel and what they do, which means you'd do the same if you were in that situation. Don't act as you're stupid, please.
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| acac |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:35
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we have a diffrence of opinions about what they do. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:37
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admirschleck wrote:
274 Palestinian people are dead in 11 days, while more than 2 thousands are injured. Are you happy now heartless killer?
While I don't agree with Israel, that last sentence is completely uncalled for and make yourself look like an absolute fool who can't have a proper discussion.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:40
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acac wrote:
we have a diffrence of opinions about what they do.
I'd really like to hear your version and perspective of killing hundred of innocent people. Go ahead, I am listening.
cactus-jack wrote:
While I don't agree with Israel, that last sentence is completely uncalled for and make yourself look like an absolute fool who can't have a proper discussion.
Okay. Thanks for compliment. How else would you call someone who supports killing people, especially kids and women and is fine with that, while he's using "defending teritory" as an excuse?
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| acac |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:49
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well this is going nowhere so i will leave you with this:
you made an uncalled for comment. i asked you to keep this on a decent level and cactus-jack later did the same. you responded with a sarcastic comment to both of us while once again insulting me. i decided to end this here and inform SN about this leaving him and DW48 to decide what to do. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:54
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But you still didn't answer my question above, where are you going? Should I cry now for hurting your feelings, besides the fact that you support Israel and all crime they're doing? Oh, that's so sad, I feel so sorry for you. 
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| The Rider |
Posted on 18-07-2014 18:58
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How we probably got to this point in a very quick summation .......
13,000 - 10,000 years ago (Probably much much longer ago)- Ancient Astronauts (from another planet) visit this earth when this planet is mainly inhabited by a more nomadic human race.
The elders 'medicine men' and tribal leaders interact with the astronauts in awe of what they see. The natives are mesmerised by the vehicles the astronauts travel in and quickly come to worship the astronauts rather than the moon or the sun (what they previously might have worshipped).
Despite the astronauts' best efforts to prevent this stance they are unable to reason with the primitive humans. It is not long before the astronauts are referred to as 'gods' and their actions are recorded in prehistoric texts.
10,000 - 2,000 years ago
The prehistoric texts are translated ( and mistranslated) many times into many different cultures and languages. No doubt many myths are made up and 'religions' are formed whereby different sects follow different translations.
Today
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Many people, through conditioning/ irrational thinking, are unable to think outside of the box in which they were raised. They are willing to kill for their 'beliefs in a god', beliefs which are probably based on something very fictitious but they don't have the capacity to doubt what they are told.
That is a very very quick summary of the Ancient Astrounaut theory, a bit too quick to explain much. However, it seems to me to be the most rational explanation for all this 'religion' we have today. I recommend reading 'Chariots of the Gods' for a better understanding.
@ Cactus Jack - admir is at' the age of innocence' (only 16), I believe, and very impressionable (as are 99.9%), which comes across in some of his comments. Admittedly when I was that age (and a bit older), I too, made such comments. Many people never change, I hope he will.
I recommend a good 'cure' to this being to listen to Bob Marley and the likes of Pete Seeger. When I say listen, I mean LISTEN, and then you may be much more mellow and less uncouth. A better person.
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 18-07-2014 19:51
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acac wrote:
i said it before and i will say it again- there was never a state called palestine.
israel was declared on may 14th 1948. the ones who controled that area on may 13th 1948 were the british.
not going to dignify the 2nd part with a response.
i am very good-fluent in 2 languages(hebrew and english) and my arabic is almost decent. none of the news sources that i know in those has reported more than one israeli solider dead.
Then answer this simple question, why hasn't your country returned the occupied territory outside the borders of what it was established on 1948, to Palestine? |
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 18-07-2014 19:51
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I have no respect for anyone who is happy at someone dying, even a cruel dictator or soldier, that is disgusting and horrific, and has no place in this world. In fact, its the reason there is still such hatred even though a resolution is possible.
Both sides have done despicable things, which cannot be excused or even vaguely defended. This is a conflict which is only continued by the hatred between the new sides, and the only way to stop it is to stop stupid quarreling. |
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| acac |
Posted on 18-07-2014 19:58
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Domestique
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
i said it before and i will say it again- there was never a state called palestine.
israel was declared on may 14th 1948. the ones who controled that area on may 13th 1948 were the british.
not going to dignify the 2nd part with a response.
i am very good-fluent in 2 languages(hebrew and english) and my arabic is almost decent. none of the news sources that i know in those has reported more than one israeli solider dead.
Then answer this simple question, why hasn't your country returned the occupied territory outside the borders of what it was established on 1948, to Palestine?
The Palestinians are the ones who refuse to talk. Peace talks can't happen if one side refuses to talk. |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 18-07-2014 20:13
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acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
i said it before and i will say it again- there was never a state called palestine.
israel was declared on may 14th 1948. the ones who controled that area on may 13th 1948 were the british.
not going to dignify the 2nd part with a response.
i am very good-fluent in 2 languages(hebrew and english) and my arabic is almost decent. none of the news sources that i know in those has reported more than one israeli solider dead.
Then answer this simple question, why hasn't your country returned the occupied territory outside the borders of what it was established on 1948, to Palestine?
The Palestinians are the ones who refuse to talk. Peace talks can't happen if one side refuses to talk.
I'm not a diplomacy expert, but Israel are the invaders. I wouldn't accept any peace talks either if my enemy was still showing this aggresive behavior, with thousands of settlements and soldiers in my territory. Because, seriously, how would anyone expect peace under this condition?
Edited by b3n3v3nt3 on 18-07-2014 20:14
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| acac |
Posted on 18-07-2014 20:23
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Domestique
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b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
i said it before and i will say it again- there was never a state called palestine.
israel was declared on may 14th 1948. the ones who controled that area on may 13th 1948 were the british.
not going to dignify the 2nd part with a response.
i am very good-fluent in 2 languages(hebrew and english) and my arabic is almost decent. none of the news sources that i know in those has reported more than one israeli solider dead.
Then answer this simple question, why hasn't your country returned the occupied territory outside the borders of what it was established on 1948, to Palestine?
The Palestinians are the ones who refuse to talk. Peace talks can't happen if one side refuses to talk.
I'm not a diplomacy expert, but Israel are the invaders. I wouldn't accept any peace talks either if my enemy was still showing this aggresive behavior, with thousands of settlements and soldiers in my territory. Because, seriously, how would anyone expect peace under this condition?
About 50% of what we now call israel was given to us by the UN. The rest was given to the Arabs. The Arabs were the ones that started the war in which they lost the rest. |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 18-07-2014 20:38
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acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
b3n3v3nt3 wrote:
acac wrote:
i said it before and i will say it again- there was never a state called palestine.
israel was declared on may 14th 1948. the ones who controled that area on may 13th 1948 were the british.
not going to dignify the 2nd part with a response.
i am very good-fluent in 2 languages(hebrew and english) and my arabic is almost decent. none of the news sources that i know in those has reported more than one israeli solider dead.
Then answer this simple question, why hasn't your country returned the occupied territory outside the borders of what it was established on 1948, to Palestine?
The Palestinians are the ones who refuse to talk. Peace talks can't happen if one side refuses to talk.
I'm not a diplomacy expert, but Israel are the invaders. I wouldn't accept any peace talks either if my enemy was still showing this aggresive behavior, with thousands of settlements and soldiers in my territory. Because, seriously, how would anyone expect peace under this condition?
About 50% of what we now call israel was given to us by the UN. The rest was given to the Arabs. The Arabs were the ones that started the war in which they lost the rest.
And that's what an invader means. You're occupying territory that doesn't belong to you. Even the UN calls Israel an "Occupying Power", which is true.
Also, Israel has still expanded after the "Arab-Israeli War".
Take note that I condemn Hamas and their friends for using women and children as shields, and other attrocities. Both sides are guilty of ugly crimes, but Israel is more to blame in my opinion. The conflict will never end if things keep going like this. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 18-07-2014 21:12
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While Admir overstepped the line with his remark there, he's pretty much spot on. Israel is made up of Arab land, which was colonised by the British and then awarded to the Jewish people. The simple fact is, that should be Palestinean land. Then you have the further issue of Israel starting war whenever the mood takes it and their actions towards civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. Sure, Hamas do bad things - but only due to Israeli actions and oppression of Palestine.
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| acac |
Posted on 18-07-2014 21:14
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For the first part yes. There needs to be a peace deal and we should return those territories, but only under a peace agreement, for now the Palestinians refuse to talk and therefor there can't be peace for now.
For your second part, that sounds like Avigdor liberman. The day this guy gets to the prime minister office is the day Putin will rule the world. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 18-07-2014 21:18
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Before you guys get into any more discussion on Israel, you should read the following:
https://www.indepe...60142.html
Just so you know who you might be discussing with.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-07-2014 21:26
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I seriously am widely impressed by the fact that you, Western guys, for once, doesn't defend "your" (well, not exactly yours, more like American) evil product called Israel. Good job guys.
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