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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 15-11-2008 20:48
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ember wrote:
Rin wrote:
Patrik Sinkewitz got a place at PSK Whirlpool
What a shame 
shame is that riders like Vinokurov will sign with Astana
Sinkewitz was not so dopped
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 16-11-2008 03:18
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Sinkewitz was not so doped
Eh?
Just been using EPO and having blood transfusions since 2003.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other...076902.stm
Still, I suppose 2003 was around the time Vino started to make it big too. Wonder if there's any connection?
Edited by fenian_1234 on 16-11-2008 03:19
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| t-baum |
Posted on 16-11-2008 03:42
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fenian_1234 wrote:
Sinkewitz was not so doped
Eh?
Just been using EPO and having blood transfusions since 2003.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other...076902.stm
Still, I suppose 2003 was around the time Vino started to make it big too. Wonder if there's any connection?
Sarcasm fail
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"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race." |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:26
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I read on eurosport.yahoo.com that Tour of Georgia is cancelled because of economic problems
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| Cristi M |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:28
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old news alexkr00
UCI Pro Tour Magenta AllStars Team Manager
ANDY SCHLECK FOR SALE in the MAN GAME
This is my new nickname, it represents my name so call me Cristi in the future  thanks
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:31
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sorry then
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:44
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Bloody shame really. I don't understand why they announce it so early. There is plenty of time to find a sponsor... |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:51
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Smoothie wrote:
Bloody shame really. I don't understand why they announce it so early. There is plenty of time to find a sponsor...
because it costs lots of money....
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:53
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Didn't said Armstrong that he will take part in it. Only because of that they could find some good sponsors
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:58
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Smoothie wrote:
Bloody shame really. I don't understand why they announce it so early. There is plenty of time to find a sponsor...
because it costs lots of money....
Yes... I know that... And what is preventing a sponsor coming in and paying that... |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 16-11-2008 12:59
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Smoothie wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Smoothie wrote:
Bloody shame really. I don't understand why they announce it so early. There is plenty of time to find a sponsor...
because it costs lots of money....
Yes... I know that... And what is preventing a sponsor coming in and paying that...
the economic crisis ...
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| rodda |
Posted on 16-11-2008 13:18
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alexkr00 wrote:
Didn't said Armstrong that he will take part in it. Only because of that they could find some good sponsors
he could sponsor it himself, and then win it
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 16-11-2008 20:25
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Belgian cyclo-cross star Niels Albert, 22, spoke about doping and the difficulty of winning the Tour de France to Flemish magazine Humo. He said he believed it was not possible to win the Tour de France without doping.
"To win the Tour you must use the right products," said Albert, who rides for Palmans Cras, in a quote as translated by the AFP.
"During the Tour, you roll for three weeks at 42km/h average speed with sometimes three or four passes. Is that human? The organizers want the cleanest race possible, but look at the 2009 edition's race profile! I do not think we can win a Grand Tour without the use of prohibited substances."
Albert highlighted an important difference between road racing and his favorite discipline of 'cross racing. "In our discipline, we go for one hour and then it's over," he said, although he acknowledged that the shorter duration didn't guarantee that cyclo-cross was completely clean.
Rather 'questionable' remark. |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-11-2008 20:45
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CrueTrue wrote:
Belgian cyclo-cross star Niels Albert, 22, spoke about doping and the difficulty of winning the Tour de France to Flemish magazine Humo. He said he believed it was not possible to win the Tour de France without doping.
"To win the Tour you must use the right products," said Albert, who rides for Palmans Cras, in a quote as translated by the AFP.
"During the Tour, you roll for three weeks at 42km/h average speed with sometimes three or four passes. Is that human? The organizers want the cleanest race possible, but look at the 2009 edition's race profile! I do not think we can win a Grand Tour without the use of prohibited substances."
Albert highlighted an important difference between road racing and his favorite discipline of 'cross racing. "In our discipline, we go for one hour and then it's over," he said, although he acknowledged that the shorter duration didn't guarantee that cyclo-cross was completely clean.
Rather 'questionable' remark.
that's mentalities like that one that are crushing the sport... 
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-11-2008 20:50
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Belgian cyclo-cross star Niels Albert, 22, spoke about doping and the difficulty of winning the Tour de France to Flemish magazine Humo. He said he believed it was not possible to win the Tour de France without doping.
"To win the Tour you must use the right products," said Albert, who rides for Palmans Cras, in a quote as translated by the AFP.
"During the Tour, you roll for three weeks at 42km/h average speed with sometimes three or four passes. Is that human? The organizers want the cleanest race possible, but look at the 2009 edition's race profile! I do not think we can win a Grand Tour without the use of prohibited substances."
Albert highlighted an important difference between road racing and his favorite discipline of 'cross racing. "In our discipline, we go for one hour and then it's over," he said, although he acknowledged that the shorter duration didn't guarantee that cyclo-cross was completely clean.
Rather 'questionable' remark.
that's mentalities like that one that are crushing the sport...
Agree
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-11-2008 21:08
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
that's mentalities like that one that are crushing the sport...
My opinion is simple: It's innocence like that , that is, not destroying the sport, but severely retarding the cleanup.
People who, like you, think someone can win the Tour clean, have no idea how tremendously enormous the effect of the drugs is.
Don't take this personally or anything, it's just a general comment on mentalities of fans and the general human propensity to believe the best case scenario
Simply, every time there's been a major scandal the majority of the public have become convinced: "now it's clean after this last scandal. definitely. because NOW finally something is really being done against doping"
And not much later we always end up with clear evidence that that is not the case at all. But then people think "NOW is finally when things have changed".
And people will think that again....and again....and again.....and the cycle will repeat infinitely. Fact is, it changed, but very little does really change.
Edited by issoisso on 16-11-2008 21:13
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| ember |
Posted on 16-11-2008 21:16
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CrueTrue wrote:
Belgian cyclo-cross star Niels Albert, 22, spoke about doping and the difficulty of winning the Tour de France to Flemish magazine Humo. He said he believed it was not possible to win the Tour de France without doping.
"To win the Tour you must use the right products," said Albert, who rides for Palmans Cras, in a quote as translated by the AFP.
"During the Tour, you roll for three weeks at 42km/h average speed with sometimes three or four passes. Is that human? The organizers want the cleanest race possible, but look at the 2009 edition's race profile! I do not think we can win a Grand Tour without the use of prohibited substances."
Albert highlighted an important difference between road racing and his favorite discipline of 'cross racing. "In our discipline, we go for one hour and then it's over," he said, although he acknowledged that the shorter duration didn't guarantee that cyclo-cross was completely clean.
Rather 'questionable' remark.
He got a very, very good point. |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-11-2008 21:25
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after this past couple of years my experience tells me that to expect an absolutely clean peloton is very naive...but i don´t think you clearly understand my point issoisso...
i just think that if every rider believes that to win TDF you have to consume dope then obviously we will have positive tests and this cycle will never end because there is ppl like you've said that now it's clean after this last scandal. definitely. because NOW finally something is really being done against doping
my perspective is that you must have your own opinion and not be influenced by dealers like stevic... you have to stay loyal to the idea of a clean cycling and in order to achieve that the first thing you have to do is to maintain yourself clean!
Edited by Gustavovskiy on 16-11-2008 21:28
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-11-2008 21:29
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
i just think that if every rider believes that to win TDF you have to consume dope then obviously we will have positive tests and this cycle will never end because there is ppl like you've said that [quote]now it's clean after this last scandal. definitely. because NOW finally something is really being done against doping
The cycle will never end because the riders know for a fact that being completely clean they will never win one single major race unless they are a generational talent.
There are two reasons for this:
1. The effect of the drugs is immense. It's the difference between being 25th in the Tour and winning it.
2. Most drugs in general use are undetectable. You can take as much as you like of the likes of HGH, autologous transfusions, most types of EPO, etc, since they are literally undetectable no matter the quantity you take.
Edited by issoisso on 16-11-2008 21:30
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-11-2008 21:40
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well then from your perspective the only indecision you get to feel when watching some mountain stage in an big stage race competition is who's on dope and who isn't... don´t get me wrong i think you're probably right but if you dont belive and you dont struggle against this wave how can we have cycling back?? my guess is never...
just one thing issoisso... how many of the riders of ...lets say... tour de france you would say are on dope??
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