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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 18-09-2008 10:57
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Nah, CSC aren't stupid enough to use CERA. They stick to blood doping. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-09-2008 11:16
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Judging by what Aquarius said, I'm pretty sure nobody's going down. Big name or otherwise.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-09-2008 12:58
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issoisso wrote:
Judging by what Aquarius said, I'm pretty sure nobody's going down. Big name or otherwise. That was one week ago though, maybe even 10 days ago. Maybe it's only popping up in English now because it took time to get translated, or there may have been something new, which would make what I said earlier irrelevant. We'll see. |
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| Stairs |
Posted on 18-09-2008 13:28
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I would think that they've already got enough blood of most of the top 10'ers and jersey holders to have performed a CERA-test in the Tour? Maybe some were micro-dosing CERA and their tests only came back as 'false negatives' and now they have a better test?
Anyway, if we get a positive CSC'er, Columbian og Garmin-rider, the world falls apart 
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 18-09-2008 13:30
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Cavendish??? 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-09-2008 13:48
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Stairs wrote:
I would think that they've already got enough blood of most of the top 10'ers and jersey holders to have performed a CERA-test in the Tour? Maybe some were micro-dosing CERA and their tests only came back as 'false negatives' and now they have a better test?
Anyway, if we get a positive CSC'er, Columbian og Garmin-rider, the world falls apart I read that the tests were not perfectly efficient yet when they caught Ricco but that they're now perfectly ready, which is why they expected to catch many more riders (catch is a big word, once again they said there'd be no sanctions). |
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| Stairs |
Posted on 18-09-2008 13:59
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Well, now just around everyone is under suspicion. It's a bit like the UCI-"we have 31 suspicious riders but we will not name any"-statement :-P
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| t-baum |
Posted on 18-09-2008 16:33
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Oh, and Cavendish has pulled out of the world championships.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 18-09-2008 16:56
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t-baum wrote:
Oh, and Cavendish has pulled out of the world championships.
old, mentioned in the worlds topic
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| Stairs |
Posted on 18-09-2008 19:01
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Sastre has revealed that Riis has 'divided the team (CSC) all from the start.' He also says that Riis' only intention on CSC has been to hurt everybody.
This seems very strange. Not that Bjarne Riis couldn't be a guy like that but Sastre is a man of his mind and has always been protecting his integrity. Why would he, after 6 years, 4 of them as a helper, leave the team now when Riis has been a huge problem all the time? Why not leave after the Tours in 2003 and 2004 when he wanted to be the captain but Hamilton and Basso stood in the way?
Remember that Riis told the Danish media the day before the Angliru-stage that Sastre didn't seem to be in the same form as in the Tour and he doubted that he would win the Vuelta. Also, Sastre revealed in this interview that he's lost all motivation in cycling, something he has later told also happened to him after Jiménez death and continued one-and-a-half year.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-09-2008 19:19
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Sastre is a guy who always spouts random nonsense and talks crap about everyone anytime when he's outclassed in any way.
It's sad, but he always does that.
Remember when he berated Caisse for not working in the pack despite having a guy in the break? that was so ridiculous
Of course most likely is just that it's just the media making it up.
Edited by issoisso on 18-09-2008 22:52
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 18-09-2008 21:49
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CrueTrue wrote:
Nah, CSC aren't stupid enough to use CERA. They stick to blood doping.
I think after Puerto...several laws have changed to make this activity criminal. The reason why puerto people weren't charged is because the laws were made after it. Someone reinforce me on this ...i'm not too clear on it...but thats the jyst. There is no way they are gonna do autologous blood doping now. The risks are way too high... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-09-2008 21:55
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What risk would that be? You go to jail if they find doping products on you, not in you. Not gonna happen if you test positive.
Not to mention that autologous blood doping is impossible to trigger a positive test, although it can be detected by the labs (it's the stupidly high standards that allow that).
Even Martial Saugy of the Lausanne lab flat out said most are using it.
Also, the Puerto guys weren't charged because the spanish authorities buried the case and refuse to hand over the evidence to anyone else doing an investigation (like CONI for instance).
That's the reason nothing happened to them, except the ones who confessed.
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| aavf |
Posted on 18-09-2008 22:45
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Looks like the Tour 2009 will have a TT up the Ventoux. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-09-2008 22:50
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aavf wrote:
Looks like the Tour 2009 will have a TT up the Ventoux.
I've been hoping for that every single year. If it happens, great.
Then again, every single year we get a bucketload of rumours before the race and 99.9% of them turn out to be utter lies.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-09-2008 22:52
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Sastre denies ever saying any of the mentioned above. Who didn't see that coming?
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 18-09-2008 23:53
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iso, I like how you edited your origional post
Of course most likely is just that it's just the media making it up.
after Sastre denied saying anything.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 19-09-2008 00:20
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issoisso wrote:
What risk would that be? You go to jail if they find doping products on you, not in you. Not gonna happen if you test positive.
Not to mention that autologous blood doping is impossible to trigger a positive test, although it can be detected by the labs (it's the stupidly high standards that allow that).
Even Martial Saugy of the Lausanne lab flat out said most are using it.
Also, the Puerto guys weren't charged because the spanish authorities buried the case and refuse to hand over the evidence to anyone else doing an investigation (like CONI for instance).
That's the reason nothing happened to them, except the ones who confessed.
Aren't the doctors conducting it under fire? I would assume that is what would knock down the deck of cards...the fact doctors do not want to be criminals running such a doping operation like fuentes. I would find it very very risky to have a doping ring run without someone who knows what is going on....you have to blood types/antigens...you have the dangers of just having old blood reinjected in you...i know that is hugely dangerous...and how are you going to store these blood bags? Aren't the new laws allowing you to match the dna to riders now? Enlighten me isso...i'm not contentious...i just want to know. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-09-2008 07:28
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Problem is that in countries that are old to cycling, doping is a part of cycling, just like training, tactics, equipment.
After 1998 the French, and later the Germans, decided it was wrong, and replaced doping with ethic (which doesn't mean no French and German are cheating, nor that all non-Germans and non-French are cheating, don't make me say what I didn't say).
In some other European countries, the authorities fight doping toughly, but the cycling people didn't change (Italy).
Even if it's forbidden by government, they keep doing it, the number of accidents is very low, doctors find it natural to dope their riders. And believe me, they must get loads of money to do so. And if by chance the rider is caught, he probably did it on his own... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-09-2008 09:14
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mb2612 wrote:
iso, I like how you edited your origional post
Of course most likely is just that it's just the media making it up.
after Sastre denied saying anything.
Actually, I went back to read my post and I edited it to re-write the sentence, due to the fact that the sentence was broken and unintelligible. Or just ask a mod, surely they can see how the post was before the edit.
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