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Posted on 25-07-2008 21:50
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I think it SHOULD happen at least for the next 3 teams or so to prove the point. Like the UCI forces Saunier to disband. The riders never allowed near anything looking like a bicycle and the DS's never allowed near lycra.
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Guido Mukk |
Posted on 26-07-2008 11:12
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Deadpool wrote:
Both jacknic and Isso have a point, but I think Isso's has more validity, the time has come and passed when cyclists are innocent until proven guilty, now we a re in a grey zone, where you under suspision until your're guilty
Dont start with that again.....has Landis at this moment proven has quilty? Rasmussen?
At least I am 89% shure that they doped. They can run a "I am innocent"..show another 10 years. For me at the both cases are it in opposite way..come one let me know if you can find a way to show us that you are clean..doper. |
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helGn |
Posted on 26-07-2008 11:35
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im not just 89% sure landis was doped. for the love of god. did you see that attack he did the day after he was ABSOLUTLY spent? |
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Posted on 26-07-2008 17:56
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Jeremy Whittle has witnessed this evolution for more than a decade. As a close observer for procycling magazine, he has met many of cycling's main protagonists and followed their careers for years. Some, he even got to be friends with - until the spectre of doping became too real for him to ignore. Until he had to choose sides - and chose to be truthful to the sport and the values that had made up the fascination that got him into cycling in the first place.
This very personal tale describes how Whittle, from being an unconditional pro cycling lover, became a slightly embittered behind-the-scenes connaisseur of the sport, who had made himself some enemies along the way. Lance Armstrong, for example. Whittle was one of the first journalists to build up a relationship with the later seven-times Tour de France winner in the early nineties.
He interviewed Armstrong at his home in Texas during his cancer treatment, shortly after the American had undergone surgery. He followed Armstrong's come-back and shot a film about him in his home in Nice, France. The two even talked private matters. Yet, after the Festina affair and Armstrong's first Tour de France victory, the "friends" grew apart, as Whittle refused to endorse without questioning.
"I wanted to keep the faith until recent years."
-Jeremy Whittle believed in clean cycling for a long time.
Staying true to his principles, the British sports writer became alienated with how Armstrong chose to manage his career. Carefully selecting journalists he would talk to - those who had become part of his 'Entourage' - Armstrong defended his relationship with Michele Ferrari, the ominous Italian 'preparatore', against the rest of the Tour de France press room, which included such anti-doping crusaders as David Walsh and Pierre Ballester, the authors of LA Confidentiel, and retired pro Paul Kimmage.
Lance Armstrong carefully chose which media he talked to. He and Whittle grew apart over time
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At some point during his repetitive journey around France, Whittle had to take a stance. He realised he could no longer be the admirative sports writer he once set out to be, but needed to face up to the realities of the corporate machine pro cycling truly was, and its inherent flaws. The heroes and idols of his adolescence made way to real, vulnerable persons - such as Greg Lemond, whose conflict with Armstrong, according to Whittle, comes from his honest desire to clean up the sport.
Whittle also draws a personal portrait of fallen but redempted star David Millar, with whom he still has close ties. He describes the psychology of doping and how its culture has invaded the sport to the root. He explains the 'omerta', an unwritten rule within the cycling circus prohibiting and condemning those who 'spit into the soup', who recognize and denounce doping. Ultimately, Whittle chose to stick to ethics - a choice that provided him with some "bad blood".
Michael Rasmussen's whereabouts affair was his demise in last year's Tour
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But contrary to its rather blunt title, the book is quite a sensitive one. Reading it stirred up some thoughts on the philosophy of doping as such and provided for some late night discussions. Is cheating or doping intrinsic to our society? Have we not all cheated or lied, at some point or another? Do the little lies we live with everyday - copying off our classroom neigbour at school, speeding on the motorway, desperately trying to reduce our tax bill... - do these not pave the way for dopers, who have learned that trying to get a light advantage over others is not such a bad thing at all?
"Sport should offer escape; it should offer sanctuary from the casual lies and banal cruelties that punctuate everyday life," Whittle writes. "Rather than embodying the ugliest elements in human nature, it should strive to encapsulate the best." Yes, in a better world, it should be so. But who are we to tell our sports role models how to live their lives if we are not being perfect examples, too? Especially the people actively involved in cycling - where does our responsibility begin?
Riccardo Riccò was the latest prominent victim in the war against doping
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This is where Whittle's story is especially insightful. It describes the mechanisms of the Tour de France press room, and how even journalists prefer to close their eyes on the obvious for fear of possibly losing the source of their income. "Riccardo Ricco's case sums it up, cheered on by journalists and TV commentators who should know better but who are so much part of the omerta that they dare not to speak out," Whittle told us.
"I wanted to keep the faith until recent years, when - like many others - the misery of doping became overpowering. I felt I couldn't take any more abuse of my intelligence. I began to feel like an accomplice, like I was defending the indefensible. Sitting in Michael Rasmussen's press conferences at last year's Tour, listening to him tie himself in knots with his lies, was so pathetic. It was the straw that broke the camel's back. It just made me mad because it was such an insult to people's intelligence."
Towards the end of the book, Whittle summed up the paradox of doping within sport in a simple, yet very intelligent way: "We love sport, not for its certainties, but for its uncertainties. But uncertainty is of no use to a doper. They want guarantees for success. (...) Paradoxically, dopers are fragile, paranoid and insecure, because they know that, on the day they don't dope, they will have non certainty. Ironically, for people who have given their lives to the pursuit of sporting excellence, those who dope themselves will never really know what their natural limits are."
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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Guido Mukk |
Posted on 26-07-2008 22:03
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Addy291 wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
Saunier Duval - Scott is now Scott-American Beef for the rest of the year
Scott - American Beef
That is such a bad name
And this isnt joke? damn this is stupid team name. Sound's like bad guy name at the movie..last man to beat Scott - American Beef.
And also hint for Saunier guys..dont eat even it is free. They crow any vegetables and meat with doping..or other booster |
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Smoothie |
Posted on 26-07-2008 22:55
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Maybe we will see the return of the pieces of meat riders used to put in their shorts to stop Bad road rash |
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Addy291 |
Posted on 27-07-2008 00:08
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BC interview with Geraint Thomas HERE
I found it very interesting, despite the length
I like reading what Geraint has to say, he doesn't hold back and says what he thinks. In the article he talks about the Giro the TdF, how he's improved as a rider, doping, his chances of riding the individual pursuit, and some more things i don't remember.
Edited by Addy291 on 27-07-2008 00:08
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SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-07-2008 08:33
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The Keirin event in Track Cycling apparantely bought its way into the Olympics in the 1990s:
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia...525072.stm
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Crazy_Ivan |
Posted on 28-07-2008 12:24
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Good old Rik Verbruggen
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Posted on 28-07-2008 16:41
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Apparently Cadel Evans hurt his knee at a Tour party, but he denies it
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Hasselinhoo |
Posted on 28-07-2008 16:56
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I think that Fofonov's positive dope test will crush C.A. and the wont find a new sponsor... |
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Hasselinhoo |
Posted on 28-07-2008 17:01
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Deadpool wrote:
Apparently Cadel Evans hurt his knee at a Tour party, but he denies it Well he got drunk you just need to see the pictures from the party... |
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Rinhoth |
Posted on 28-07-2008 17:08
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got a link to the pictures?
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
-Lance Armstrong
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Rinhoth |
Posted on 28-07-2008 17:08
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got a link to the pictures?
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
-Lance Armstrong
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SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-07-2008 21:02
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Womens Cycling may not be of interest to many here but it is relatively big news that the current Womens World Road Race champion Marta Bastianelli has tested positive.
https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olymp...529836.stm
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chuckie |
Posted on 28-07-2008 21:05
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Cycling is cycling,and that is not cool
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p3druh |
Posted on 28-07-2008 21:16
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Apparently the problem was that she used a product in her salads that had "flenfluramina"(don't know the english name for it).
Like the stereotypical modern women, Marta is very careful with her weight and she eats mostly salads with dietetic products. And one of those products had that forbidden substance.
Or at least that's what the Italian Cycling Federation say.
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Crazy_Ivan |
Posted on 28-07-2008 21:22
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p3druh wrote:
Apparently the problem was that she used a product in her salads that had "flenfluramina"(don't know the english name for it).
Like the stereotypical modern women, Marta is very careful with her weight and she eats mostly salads with dietetic products. And one of those products had that forbidden substance.
Or at least that's what the Italian Cycling Federation say.
Well at least it is inventive.
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p3druh |
Posted on 28-07-2008 21:27
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Inventive is just one of the words that comes to mind...
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Addy291 |
Posted on 28-07-2008 21:30
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She could've just said it was down to "womens problems". If the board of doping was full of men, they would've not wanted to get involved and just let her go...
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