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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:14
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To hell with your so-called system Addy! Bellis is a future world champion 
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:19
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Meh, Bellis. Kennaugh is the future Cav  The Olympic systems that is used is a high standard one. Its proving that its work right now. Im just waiting for Britains first mountain climber. There isnt one on the block at the moment. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:31
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It will be a very long while before we get a climber Smoothie
To be fair a lot of the youngsters aren't bad at climbing, but they definately aren't pure climbers...
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Posted on 03-08-2008 20:33
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Smoothie wrote:
Meh, Bellis. Kennaugh is the future Cav The Olympic systems that is used is a high standard one. Its proving that its work right now. Im just waiting for Britains first mountain climber. There isnt one on the block at the moment.
Wegelius ain't a bad climber.
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:37
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I have and i dont want to sound like a dick. but i get a good insight in the young generation of riders. There are a lot of very strong juniors in the country but not many of them will make it. They are all amazing now. They are guaranteed to burn themselves out they push themselves far to hard. Its hard for GB to develop pure climbers due to the lack of large mountains in the country. The only way is to get a group of riders together and train in the Alps or any European mountain range. Its not like it would be a problem as there is an academy house in italy. We need to develop more road coaches in my opinion British Cycling is slightly funneled down the track root. They need to spread out more. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:37
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Britains first mountain climber? Tom Simpson surely.
And Smoothie, you always say that Kennaugh is the future Cavendish and you always ignore Ben Swift who has has better results than Kennaugh to date in the sprints.
Denmark doesnt have any big mountains either, yet look at Michael Rasmussen (Dynepo or not he was still very good) so you cant use that excuse
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:38
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Addy291 wrote:
It will be a very long while before we get a climber Smoothie
To be fair a lot of the youngsters aren't bad at climbing, but they definately aren't pure climbers...
Usually you'll find the less criterium racing there is in a certain country, the more climbers come up. In english speaking countries, the number of criteriums is enormous, while in most other countries, it's almost zero. Track racing is also an alternative, while in most countries it's as popular as curling is in mongolia . Track racing breeds anything but climbers.
The style of racing that riders grow up with has an enormous influence in their characteristics. See any climbers coming from scandinavian countries? or time triallists coming from spain or italy? not really
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:43
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SportingNonsense wrote:
you always ignore Ben Swift who has has better results than Kennaugh to date in the sprints.
No i dont ignore any of the younger british riders, i dont get why you can turn my support for Kennaugh around and say that i ignore Swift which i dont. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:46
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Perhaps ignore is the wrong word, but you know what I mean. You dont rate Swift as highly as you do Kennaugh.
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:48
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To be fair, I don't really mind if Britain focus on track racing. We own at track racing
Who needs climbers anyway, when we have Swift, Kennaugh, Dowsett, Bellis, Blythe, Kenny, etc.
At least we don't completely suck at everything we just don't climb well...
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Posted on 03-08-2008 20:48
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Thats because im unfortunately too Bias. Im still rating Kennaugh on the performances over the past year or so. After a few years in Italy Swift has turned into a monster (results and strenght wise that is). Apparently all the Italians over there are shit scared of him
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:49
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Swift always seems to perform better in Italy than anywhere else, for some reason...
As long as he is performing well somewhere
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:51
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Well Kennaugh's more major results over the past year have come in more hilly races (2nd in Nat. Champs, 2nd in GP of Wales), so Im still not convinced that he is a Cavendish style rider.
And Addy, thats probablly because its where he rides the most. Just look at the Sachsentour results as an example of a good performance in someone other than Italy
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:52
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We have climbers on the way up, Swift is a Punchuer good at the hills and good at the sprints. British cycling do a great job teaching how to position yourself in the bunch. In races like belgium and italy that is key. |
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| helGn |
Posted on 03-08-2008 20:57
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Do you really look for the next cavendish already? his so young and have so many years ahead of him! |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-08-2008 21:00
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helGn, why cant we have more than one world class sprinter?
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| helGn |
Posted on 03-08-2008 21:07
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offcourse you can, the point i was trying to make, although when i look back i see i made a really bad attempt, was that the mentalaty(?) is so different in england than atleast norway here we have two quality riders, and one comming up. and to be honest, we didnt hear too much about boasson hagen before he signed for t-mobile. and not much after that its just thor, thor thor thor aaaaand yeah thor. arvesen got some headlines after his tdf stage victory, but now its over to thor |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 03-08-2008 21:12
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SportingNonsense wrote:
helGn, why cant we have more than one world class sprinter?
Because France is supposed to be better than UK in every possible way imaginable
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| helGn |
Posted on 03-08-2008 21:13
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Waghlon wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
helGn, why cant we have more than one world class sprinter?
Because France is supposed to be better than UK in every possible way imaginable
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| matt493 |
Posted on 03-08-2008 21:39
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since france used to be pretty dominant it is funny that France sucks at cycling. .
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