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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 11:13
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I guess with the latest action from Verstappen in Mexico shows that he is the most horrible personality in the peloton...Strange though that Hamilton didn't get punished for the exact same thing from Verstappen vs. Vettel...
Again Vettel gets punished for a battle (against Riccardo) that wouldn't even have happened without the Verstappen action (though the thing itself needs to be punished obviously). And finally Verstappen could've already been punished for the turn one accident with Rosberg.
Strange jury decisions, but not the first time this season. At least there was some racing going on in the last two races which is nice.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 11:30
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I guess, that Hamilton wasn't punished, because it was the first turn, hence cold tires, full car and start tohowabohu. Also he slowed down to not gain any advantage and even Rosberg said, that he wouldn't have overtaken him otherwise.
Verstappen in turn 1 should get punished, but after the race, he even stated, that Rosberg should be punished for leaving the track.
Vettel now got punished for what Verstappen did in Hungary, Belgium and Japan.
In my opinion, FIA gets more and more riciculous, in their decisions.
Also Max showed after the race, why he's an "idiot". He thinks he's the best and he's not making any mistakes. I think they should honestly ban him for a race, so that he learns. He still thinks he's right, even after lots of talking and warnings. Now he lost the last guy in F1 who was on his side. Vettel.
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 31-10-2016 11:37
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Also Pirelli should have used softer compounds for the race, I mean cmon 70 laps on a single tire is simply too much. Ultra Soft should have been in play
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 12:04
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sgdanny wrote:
Also Pirelli should have used softer compounds for the race, I mean cmon 70 laps on a single tire is simply too much. Ultra Soft should have been in play
I don't think Pirelli was at fault here. The Ultra Soft would've probably gone about 2-3 laps. The problem was, that the difference from soft to medium was too big. I think it's only a problem on this track.
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 15:42
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Hm I still don't understand why people start to hate Verstappen. His moves are discussable but saying they should ban him is beyond rationality.
First corner move with Rosberg was okay I guess? Just look back at the starts at Canada, seeing both Mercs do the same to each other.
After that, I don't know why people are so angry about him missing that corner. Vettel wasn't even alongside him, and not even attempting an attack? To be honest it feels like oh he's making a mistake and that's why he should let me through while I'm not even attempting to overtake him. I just don't see the problem with this situation. Feels like people are making it a bigger issue than it is. Maybe they should create an alternative route on that corner how to get back on track when you miss it, just like in Canada and Russia. And well, Schumacher Hungary 2006 did exactly the same thing for many laps.
Quite funny to see Vettel being the victim of the braking rule he pushed through the system. By the way, he could receive a race ban for his radio anger towards Charlie Whiting. Curious to see what happens.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 15:53
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The problem for Verstappen is that, like Hamilton, he is trying to RACE in a sport which has slowly removed all of the actual RACING from it. It's all about fuel consumption and tyre wear these days. Once the first corner has been and gone it all boils down to pit stop tactics.
The slightest sign of aggressive driving leads to complaints and calls for drivers to be banned.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 16:09
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MrUfo87 wrote:
Hm I still don't understand why people start to hate Verstappen. His moves are discussable but saying they should ban him is beyond rationality.
First corner move with Rosberg was okay I guess? Just look back at the starts at Canada, seeing both Mercs do the same to each other.
After that, I don't know why people are so angry about him missing that corner. Vettel wasn't even alongside him, and not even attempting an attack? To be honest it feels like oh he's making a mistake and that's why he should let me through while I'm not even attempting to overtake him. I just don't see the problem with this situation. Feels like people are making it a bigger issue than it is. Maybe they should create an alternative route on that corner how to get back on track when you miss it, just like in Canada and Russia. And well, Schumacher Hungary 2006 did exactly the same thing for many laps.
Quite funny to see Vettel being the victim of the braking rule he pushed through the system. By the way, he could receive a race ban for his radio anger towards Charlie Whiting. Curious to see what happens.
If teammates do such stuff to each other, there mostly won't be penalties, because nobody wants the other one to get one.
Why people start to hate Max:
-he's arrogant
-he's dangerous
-he get's no penalties for his wrongdoing
-he doesn't see himself doing anything wrong(only others at fault)
I'm by far not the only one who wants to see him get banned for a race(same as Grosjean in 2012). Most drivers dislike him, most team chefs as well(he has no future outside of redbull currently). He just get's hyped like the new Schumacher in NL. But the Netherlands always hype everything to death. Their football team, their cyclists, their race drivers...he's good, but also overhyped.
Creating a new route, just because of driver mistakes, is a stupid idea. I would put a sandpit there, so that you simply do not run wide.
I'm by no means a Vettel fan, but I understand his reaction. He later apologized to Whiting, so there won't be anything coming to him. He was the only driver defending Max in interviews, but now he sees it just like everyone.
Now @ringo:
He sees it as racing, the drivers and the staff not. You can fight and race, but fair. We have our rFactor league running for example. I can defend and race with someone over lots of laps cleanly, but I never EVER move under braking, because that could end both races, I also never cut someone off, because it's just unfair as well as slalom driving. You can fight for long time, without the need to be unfair and dangerous.
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 16:21
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He's arrogant -> Maybe he is, but many other drivers are as well.
He's dangerous -> Hm, sometimes maybe, but not as dangerous like Grosjean back then and Maldonado, but it seems like people were just making fun of them because they weren't that talented.
He gets no penalties for his wrongdoing -> You can't blame him for that, you gotta be at the FIA for that.
He doesn't see himself doing anything wrong (only others at fault) -> Well, many drivers are like that. But tbh he could be a bit more realistic sometimes.
And to be honest, as a Dutchman who follows F1 for more than 10 years I really hate this hype here. People are being respectless towards other drivers and think they know everything about F1 while they only watch it for less than 2 seasons and turn off the TV when he's out of the race. One of the many things I hate about Dutch people and culture, so sorry for my countrymates about that.
Sandpit is okay as well. And now I understand why Bernie wants to put more walls close to the circuits.  (Although I'm not quite sure about that haha).
I know he did that, but he could still be in trouvle for it (Source: https://ltmsport.com/worst-yet-come-ve...me-vettel/)
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 16:37
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I'd prefer sandpits to walls, A wall will result in a high speed impact with the risk of the person making the mistake ricocheting back into the track or something off their car doing so and collecting someone else in their mistake.
A sandpit would slow the car down not as abruptly and would end up with the driver making the mistake not ending up in someone else's path and not stopping so suddenly would result in less stress to their body as you would get from a high energy impact.
Also I imagine it would be possible to recover a car out of a sandpit under localised yellow's instead of having to bring out the safety car which they would have to do if they hit a wall and stuff ended up on the track or worse on the actual racing line itself.
And surely Vettel swearing at Charlie Whiting should result in something even if he did apologise as a deterrent to stop others thinking it's ok to do so if something doesn't go your way. If the stewards decide not to punish him because of the apology it could set a precedent for it and see the respect for the stewards start to slip which would help nobody as I imagine its already a fairly tough job in some of the more incident packed races making sure you get the right penalty's handed out and quick enough before others get affected by the incident's that resulted in the need for a penalty.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 31-10-2016 16:45
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To be fair RBR has a point when they say that Hamilton should've been punished too. What does it matter that it's the first lap or the last? Or is there a rule that states otherwise? Normally locking up would result in losing position(s), but because of the layout of the track one can skip the next corner and continue. It's BS when a driver can make an unforced error and then just cuts the corner to keep position. The randomness of the jury and a lack of clearity in the rules is what causes this chaos. The jury should become stricter and not make any exceptions to the rules. This way the drivers know what they can and cannot do. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 31-10-2016 18:26
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You can punish Hamilton with the 5 second penalty, but he still would have won, being 8 seconds ahead of Rosburg. So it's not really a discussion point in itself as it would have no impact on the final result.
It should be punished from a consistency stand point. Punish Max for it, you should punish Lewis for it. But we can all list many many examples of inconsistent rulings. It doesn't make either one a worse person. Especially Max late in the race, he could make an argument he didn't get an advantage as Vettel wasn't alongside him. So i think he was entitled to race on and fight for his position. The defence was quite good as well.
Vettel's defence no so good. He's spent so long complaining about Max that he falls right into the trap that was being set-up and moves in the braking zone. Thanks to his efforts the FIA changed the rules and Vettel almost immediately steps up to brake them. Can't argue with it, unfortunately for him. Not unfortunate because of his reaction. As much as people moan about Max being arrogant, i've alwasy disliked Vettel and his attitude and listenting to that team radio was pure gold to me. Thank you FOM for broadcasting that to the world.
Ricciardo did what he had to do. Drove a fantastic final stint to get up to Vettel, picked his chance and forced Vettel into a mistake. A well earned podium for him.
And thank god for these three and those final 2 laps, it was a completely crap race until that point. Just look at Perez, stuck behind Massa for something like 55 laps without being able to get past. Awful race on what is not a great track i'm afraid.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 19:35
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MrUfo87 wrote:
He's dangerous -> Hm, sometimes maybe, but not as dangerous like Grosjean back then and Maldonado, but it seems like people were just making fun of them because they weren't that talented.
I don't think that Max is more talented like Grosjean. Max might have been young, but Grosjean dominated lower classes like no other driver.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 19:47
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Yep, for me Grosjean, Checo and Hülkenberg are very underrated riders. I would love to see them in a strong team once (don't tell me that the Checo time at McLaren should be an indicator).
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 31-10-2016 23:30
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Vettel demoted to 5th place  |
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-11-2016 20:55
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Soooo.. it's awfully quiet here. 
Nobody seen Brazil? |
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 14-11-2016 22:06
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ruben wrote:
Soooo.. it's awfully quiet here.
Nobody seen Brazil?
You mean that crap of a race? Verstappen did a good drive, despite that he was the only driver who wanted a SC start.
Where were you the last races where he was constantly fucking up?
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| Wilier |
Posted on 15-11-2016 14:49
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ruben wrote:
Soooo.. it's awfully quiet here.
Nobody seen Brazil?
I did!
Too bad of all the safety cars and red flags (I had to watch football in the meantime  ). But that ending was worth the wait. Great stuff by Max! Got some great cheers from the crowd. Also hats off to Nasr, Sainz and Ocon.
Lastly that Massa goodbye in front of his homecrowd was great.
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-11-2016 15:47
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The haters like Paul are hilarious. Probably Vettel fan or Ferrari. Derp |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 15-11-2016 15:59
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ruben wrote:
The haters like Paul are hilarious. Probably Vettel fan or Ferrari. Derp
oh dear...
thought you're complaning about people not following this thread...if you would have done that and read other opinions properly you'd surely have recognized how deep Paul's love to Vettel is...
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 15-11-2016 19:41
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ruben wrote:
Soooo.. it's awfully quiet here.
Nobody seen Brazil?
why are you surprised, didn't you see us enter the "we don't care about F1" panic room when you left it?
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