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EPIC - Season break 1 - Goals and startlists
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-05-2015 14:59
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TheManxMissile wrote:
How many EPIC riders are actually eligable for the support pack?
To answer my own question it's 12 by my count. 12 out of 83(?) custom riders are eligible for the support pack, roughly 14% of EPIC riders. To me that seems very low. But then i've raised this point before so....
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:01
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TheManxMissile wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
How many EPIC riders are actually eligable for the support pack?
To answer my own question it's 12 by my count. 12 out of 83(?) custom riders are eligible for the support pack, roughly 14% of EPIC riders. To me that seems very low. But then i've raised this point before so....
Hmm, how do you calculate that without kowing how many points people will get? Did I miss something?
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:03
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As in 12 EPIC riders have all stats over 60. I assumed you can't raise your stats from 55 to 60 and then use the support pack in the same break, or is there like an order in which upgrades are applied?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:05
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Yeah you can, like it says in the rules, the upgrades from 55-60 don't follow the limitations of only +2 per break. There are also no limitations on the support stat package other then those mentioned already.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:05
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Its ok, that you want to adjust on what people think, but its annoying, that I sold young guys like Verona, because the progress was too slow. And now the progress gets faster.
Also you want more balanced riders. Thats ok, but what if I want my rider to suck on the cobbles, since I included it in his bio. Now I need to invest points in COB, just to get the special upgrade. I just think that you are creating a whole lot of G. Thomas or Kwiatek riders. They will never have a chance in a GT. And they will be very allround, but also kinda the same. Maybe its just that I like specialized riders more than allrounders, since allrounders are kinda boring. And I think the variety ofthe custom riders makes them so enjoyable...
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:09
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Ollfardh wrote:
Yeah you can, like it says in the rules, the upgrades from 55-60 don't follow the limitations of only +2 per break. There are also no limitations on the support stat package other then those mentioned already.
So for crystal clarity:
I can raise Krista's FTR and DH from 55 to 60 for a combined cost of 200, and then if i have the points left over apply the stat pack for another 100? (the pricing of the stat pack is good, no complaints on any of the pricings they seem good at the moment).
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:12
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Yeah you can, like it says in the rules, the upgrades from 55-60 don't follow the limitations of only +2 per break. There are also no limitations on the support stat package other then those mentioned already.
So for crystal clarity:
I can raise Krista's FTR and DH from 55 to 60 for a combined cost of 200, and then if i have the points left over apply the stat pack for another 100? (the pricing of the stat pack is good, no complaints on any of the pricings they seem good at the moment).
200? not 260?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:12
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Paul23 wrote:
Its ok, that you want to adjust on what people think, but its annoying, that I sold young guys like Verona, because the progress was too slow. And now the progress gets faster.
Also you want more balanced riders. Thats ok, but what if I want my rider to suck on the cobbles, since I included it in his bio. Now I need to invest points in COB, just to get the special upgrade. I just think that you are creating a whole lot of G. Thomas or Kwiatek riders. They will never have a chance in a GT. And they will be very allround, but also kinda the same. Maybe its just that I like specialized riders more than allrounders, since allrounders are kinda boring. And I think the variety ofthe custom riders makes them so enjoyable...
Ok, I see your point now, but well, you can stay as one sided as you want. If you don't upgrade low stats, you save some points as well. Not everyone will benefit from the support stat package. Take Weschenbach for example, he will have to pay the most expensive package, but his rec will only go to 61 and his flat only to 72. In my humble opinion, that's not worth it.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:15
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
Yeah you can, like it says in the rules, the upgrades from 55-60 don't follow the limitations of only +2 per break. There are also no limitations on the support stat package other then those mentioned already.
So for crystal clarity:
I can raise Krista's FTR and DH from 55 to 60 for a combined cost of 200, and then if i have the points left over apply the stat pack for another 100? (the pricing of the stat pack is good, no complaints on any of the pricings they seem good at the moment).
It's only 10 for custom riders, so for 100 you're there, then 100 again for the stat package. I have to admit it's cheap though, but then again she's not a very good rider..
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:16
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Ollfardh wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Its ok, that you want to adjust on what people think, but its annoying, that I sold young guys like Verona, because the progress was too slow. And now the progress gets faster.
Also you want more balanced riders. Thats ok, but what if I want my rider to suck on the cobbles, since I included it in his bio. Now I need to invest points in COB, just to get the special upgrade. I just think that you are creating a whole lot of G. Thomas or Kwiatek riders. They will never have a chance in a GT. And they will be very allround, but also kinda the same. Maybe its just that I like specialized riders more than allrounders, since allrounders are kinda boring. And I think the variety ofthe custom riders makes them so enjoyable...
Ok, I see your point now, but well, you can stay as one sided as you want. If you don't upgrade low stats, you save some points as well. Not everyone will benefit from the support stat package. Take Weschenbach for example, he will have to pay the most expensive package, but his rec will only go to 61 and his flat only to 72. In my humble opinion, that's not worth it.
True. Eventhough he needs FL and ACC stats
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:18
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Well, those are the choices one must make, keeps it interesting 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:19
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Ollfardh wrote:
It's only 10 for custom riders, so for 100 you're there, then 100 again for the stat package. I have to admit it's cheap though, but then again she's not a very good rider..
Jus trying to make sure it's all clear and that i understand:
FTR 55>56>57>58>59 = 4*10 = 40 + 59>60 = 40 + 60 = Total 100
Total 100*2 (once for FTR and once for DH) = 200
200 + 100 for stat pack = 300 all in for FTR 55>60 and DH 55>60 and Support Pack
And that can all be done in this break if i have enough points.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:23
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No, it says current stat max 59, so if you go from 59 to 60 it's still 10. I should only cost you 200 points for the entire transaction you describe, though I feel it's quite cheap now.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:36
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Anyway, here are the points. As usual, it is a matter of personal taste that gives you 10 points less or more, but do send me a PM if you think I'm way off so we can look at it together.
For the riders, it's a tie between the great writings from the Calzone, and the extremely amusing adventures of Lord Richard Plant. A lot of riders scored high, some good stuff I read this season part.
Spoiler | Alinejad | Naveed | 24 | IRN | Champion System | 50 | | Birtles | Jordan | 23 | UK | Garmin | 90 | | Brookes | Fabian | 23 | AUS | Bardiani-Valvolve | 20 | | Burton | Josh | 20 | UK | Cannondale | 190 | | Cervero | Delfi | 24 | CR | Androni | 380 | | Cristobal Riquelme | Jorge | 24 | CHL | Belkin | 0 | | De la Montagne | Pierre | 22 | FRA | Giant-Shimano | 30 | | De las Campos | Cristiano | 24 | ESP | Euskaltel | 210 | | De Vries | Pieter | 19 | NED | Vacansoleil | 0 | | Di Silvestro | Drago | 21 | ITA | CCC Polsat | 360 | | Dimitriou | Ioannis | 22 | GRE | NetApp-Endura | 80 | | Feunard | Aquali | 19 | FRA | FDJ | 200 | | Feunard | Pyroli | 19 | FRA | CCC Polsat | 90 | | Feunard | Voltali | 19 | FRA | Champion System | 120 | | Guido | Mario | 19 | ITA | Colombia | 350 | | Hagg | Heimdal | 19 | SWE | NetApp-Endura | 350 | | Hanzen | Adrien | 24 | UK | BMC | 360 | | Harrini | Fabrizio | 19 | MOL | Colombia | 30 | | Hinault | Thomas | 22 | FRA | Europcar | 350 | | Hintermuller | Josef | 22 | GER | MTN Qhubeka | 10 | | Khamse Khamphan | Lue | 24 | LAO | Europcar | 60 | | Kim | Po-ding | 24 | NKO | Champion System | 340 | | Llanet | Albert | 19 | AND | CCC Polsat | 230 | | McDermott | Erik | 24 | DEN | Garmin | 320 | | Miles | Nattrapon | 19 | UK | CCC Polsat | 350 | | Milosevic | Spiro | 24 | CRO | Katusha | 80 | | Muriel | Christian | 24 | COL | Colombia | 150 | | Nokkvason | Johann | 21 | ICE | CCC Polsat | 340 | | O'Callaghan | Tom | 19 | IRE | Bardiani-Valvolve | 0 | | Pal | Peter | 24 | FRA | Giant-Shimano | 30 | | Pennarossa | Silvio | 24 | SM | Cannondale | 300 | | Schroder | Christian | 24 | GER | Europcar | 100 | | Schwabe | Thomas | 22 | GER | NetApp-Endura | 110 | | Shaqif | Marouane | 22 | TUN | MTN Qhubeka | 40 | | Sinaga | Firmansyah | 19 | INA | Champion System | 350 | | Van Drenthe | Nicky | 22 | NED | Vacansoleil | 0 | | Verboven | Rudy | 22 | BEL | Euskaltel | 380 | | Von Triesenberg | Mathias | 22 | LIE | NetApp-Endura | 360 | | Walker | Dermot | 19 | UK | NetApp-Endura | 260 | | Al-Mohney | Ahmed | 22 | QAT | Androni | 200 | | Birt | Mitchell | 24 | AUS | Orica-GreenEdge | 210 | | Bousche | Erik | 19 | FRA | FDJ | 190 | | Calzone | Carlo | 24 | ITA | Movistar | 390 | | Juarez | Jose Alberto | 19 | MEX | NetApp-Endura | 180 | | Kakhi | Rajesh | 24 | IND | Champion System | 160 | | Loewenherz | Richard | 22 | AUT | Katusha | 220 | | Nieve | Gorka | 19 | ESP | Colombia | 190 | | Abundi | Abasi | 22 | NGA | MTN Qhubeka | 120 | | Johnson | Diego | 24 | PER | Orica-GreenEdge | 170 | | Johnson | Jamel | 19 | PER | Tinkoff | 20 | | Owniak | Damian | 23 | POL | BMC | 360 | | Akdeniz | Arda | 18 | TUR | Lampre | 0 | | Alarcon | Jose | 21 | COL | Caja Rural | 140 | | Asquez | Juan Pablo | 21 | ESP | Caja Rural | 250 | | Berg | Soren | 18 | DEN | Colombia | 260 | | Bernard | Gregory | 23 | LUX | Colombia | 40 | | Bonilla | Carlos | 23 | CR | AG2R | 240 | | Charneux | Charlie | 18 | LUX | Cofidis | 320 | | Grawunder | Lars | 21 | GER | Champion System | 290 | | Hatanaka | Tomohori | 18 | JAP | Drapac | 130 | | Kaas | Jan | 18 | NED | AG2R | 20 | | Kaha | Mangere | 21 | NZ | Belkin | 320 | | Kawasaki | Ryu | 23 | JAP | Androni | 340 | | Kusnezov | Ilja | 23 | RUS | Movistar | 160 | | La Bestia | Matteo | 22 | ITA | Omega Pharma | 40 | | Langov | Nikola | 23 | BUL | Tinkoff | 0 | | Leigh | Matt | 21 | AUS | Drapac | 310 | | Lipawsky | Pierre | 21 | CH | Androni | 80 | | Lipawsky | Sylvian | 23 | CH | Androni | 90 | | Marcus | Krista | 18 | AUS | Androni | 380 | | Martinez Marchado | Ricardo | 21 | POR | Caja Rural | 260 | | Mashaba | Husani | 18 | SA | MTN Qhubeka | 150 | | Myrvold | Anders | 21 | NOR | Cofidis | 340 | | Palmarsson | Kristjan | 19 | ICE | Vacansoleil | 40 | | Pedersen | Alf | 23 | NOR | Team Sky | 0 | | Plant | Richard | 18 | UK | Lampre | 390 | | De La Lumiere | Plusvite | 21 | FRA | FDJ | 40 | | Rosanski | Paul | 18 | GER | Lotto-Belisol | 0 | | Schneider | Andre | 21 | GER | CCC Polsat | 110 | | Weschenbach | Benedikt | 23 | GER | Team Sky | 250 |
For the teams, there were several criteria. Movistar was the best with the goals, achieving 4/6 including both hard goals. HQ it was a tough call between Euskaltel and Cannondale, but the Basque series gave the advantage to Euskaltel. Nationality I gave full points to Euskaltel, Drapac and FDJ for their great team selection, with honourable mentions to Europcar, MTN and Caja Rural. And well money, big savers were Vacansoleil and Lampre. Somehow all of that put together places BMC on top, I need a better system 
Spoiler | | Goals /240 | HQ /600 | Nat /200 | Money | TOTAL | | Astana | | 60 | 240 | 50 | 59 | 409 | | Belkin | | 150 | 570 | 140 | 0 | 860 | | BMC | | 150 | 560 | 150 | 25 | 885 | | Cannondale | | 90 | 580 | 150 | 32 | 852 | | Europecar | | 100 | 490 | 190 | 45 | 825 | | Euskaltel | | 60 | 590 | 200 | 10 | 860 | | Garmin-Sharp | | 120 | 180 | 100 | 45 | 445 | | Giant-Shimano | | 60 | 320 | 130 | 30 | 540 | | Katusha | | 30 | 510 | 160 | 19 | 719 | | Lotto-Belisol | | 70 | 530 | 160 | 3 | 763 | | Movistar | | 170 | 480 | 160 | 2 | 812 | | Omega Pharma- Quick Step | | 60 | 310 | 150 | 19 | 539 | | Orica-Greenedge | | 40 | 380 | 140 | 0 | 560 | | Team Sky | | 150 | 130 | 120 | 0 | 400 | | Tinkoff | | 60 | 90 | 60 | 48 | 258 | | Trek | | 70 | 70 | 50 | 9 | 199 | | | | | | | | | AG2R | | 70 | 80 | 160 | 15 | 325 | | Androni Giocattoli | | 0 | 460 | 120 | 0 | 580 | | Bardiani Valvole | | 70 | 520 | 160 | 44 | 794 | | Bretagne | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 0 | 100 | | Caja Rural | | 60 | 530 | 180 | 1 | 771 | | CCC | | 30 | 570 | 150 | 0 | 750 | | Champion System | | 120 | 470 | 130 | 0 | 720 | | Cofidis | | 70 | 520 | 160 | 7 | 757 | | Colombia | | 50 | 480 | 80 | 39 | 649 | | Crelan-Euphony | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 0 | 100 | | Drapac | | 0 | 420 | 200 | 15 | 635 | | FDJ | | 30 | 550 | 200 | 0 | 780 | | IAM Cycling | | 0 | 250 | 100 | 0 | 350 | | Lampre | | 0 | 80 | 120 | 89 | 289 | | MTN Qhubeka | | 30 | 460 | 190 | 11 | 691 | | Neri Sottoli | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 0 | 100 | | NetApp-Endura | | 50 | 570 | 150 | 0 | 770 | | Rusvelo | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 0 | 100 | | Sojasun | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 0 | 100 | | Team Novo Nordisk | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 0 | 100 | | Topsport Vlaanderen | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 6 | 106 | | UnitedHealthcare | | 0 | 0 | 100 | 0 | 100 | | Vacansoleil-DCM | | 0 | 360 | 110 | 99 | 569 | | Wanty | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:43
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I had hoped being the only 100% nationality team would have given us a bit more of a boost but overall i can't complain
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:46
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Yeah, but I didn't want to make it too powerful either.
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:51
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We won something. 
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 07-05-2015 15:59
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The last break system would've made custom riders dominate more, but let's try this system  Pretty good getting 750 points, after failing so many goals
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-05-2015 16:11
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Name: Kim Po-ding
Team: Champion System
Age: 24
Upgrade:
Fighter 55=>56=>57=>58=>59=>60 (50)
Cobble 55=>56=>57=>58=>59=>60 (50)
Fl 71=>72
Acc 66=>67
Sta 71=>72
Rec 71=>72
(220)
Points spent: 320
20 points to Topsport Vlaanderen
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| DaveTwoBob |
Posted on 07-05-2015 16:13
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Could someone remind me what date we are using to calculate the riders ages, thanks.
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