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| canojuancho |
Posted on 13-04-2014 21:35
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Thank you for that review.
Here is the profile:
When i found the LBL startlist, i will share here. Thanks again. |
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 14-04-2014 08:56
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Enger has been sick lately though. That's why he wasn't in Flanders. I'd say Skjerping is a better candidate than him considering recent results.
How hard can it be?
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| canojuancho |
Posted on 14-04-2014 14:57
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Directvelo published the startlist for La Cote Picarde:
https://www.direct...0vog_mSzkg
Ewan, Groenewegen, Teunissen are not in the list. |
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| Maddox |
Posted on 14-04-2014 15:26
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What do you guys think about the biggest danish talents? Magnus Cort, Mads Pedersen, Mads Wurtz, Michael Carbel, Kristian Haugaard, Søren Kragh, Casper Pedersen, Magnus Bak Klaris and so how, how good can they become? What results can they achieve? Who will be the biggest star? Maybe a top 3 list over them... |
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| depeche92 |
Posted on 14-04-2014 15:49
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Magnus Cort is the most interesting, he had already good results in decent field races. I don't know much about the others |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 14-04-2014 15:57
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Cort Nielsen indeed has the best results amongst pros winning Istrian Spring Trophy recently and especially two .HC stages last season.
Mads Pedersen is a massive talent, at least on par. Dominating sprints and time trials and won PR last season.
Don't forget Mathias Krigbaum in your list, a great TTer.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 14-04-2014 16:01
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Agreed about Nielsen, looks really good rider.
I wouldn't look too much in junior results, many rider had amazing results at junior level, but never stepped up ( this is also true for U23 but much less nowadays I'd say )
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| cio93 |
Posted on 14-04-2014 16:09
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Alakagom wrote:
Agreed about Nielsen, looks really good rider.
I wouldn't look too much in junior results, many rider had amazing results at junior level, but never stepped up ( this is also true for U23 but much less nowadays I'd say )
Well there's no other way for us to judge potential if you don't happen to be their coach 
Though there are indeed some Danish riders not living up to their talent, have you ever heard of Ostergaard or Guldhammer again?
And I guess Valgren Andersen doesn't fall under the kind of category you're interested in anymore now that he's on a WT team already?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 14-04-2014 16:19
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cio93 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Agreed about Nielsen, looks really good rider.
I wouldn't look too much in junior results, many rider had amazing results at junior level, but never stepped up ( this is also true for U23 but much less nowadays I'd say )
Well there's no other way for us to judge potential if you don't happen to be their coach
Though there are indeed some Danish riders not living up to their talent, have you ever heard of Ostergaard or Guldhammer again?
And I guess Valgren Andersen doesn't fall under the kind of category you're interested in anymore now that he's on a WT team already?
Well true, but still we can't say which one is the most talented or which one will specialize in what, far too early. Especially in juniors I feel. Of course you pick out the talented riders though and know which terrains they will perform best at - but you can't say how far developed they are.
Example of many Dutch cyclists from Rabo CT failing at WT level as their have already as youngsters reached their potential and could not improve much further.
Was the Valgren question to me or the OP btw ? 
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| cio93 |
Posted on 14-04-2014 16:26
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That was for the OP of course.
Yep, Rabo CT was what I was hinting at with Guldhammer and Ostergaard.
I was just trying to give an answer to the best of my knowledge, but surely if we were to be completely honest, we'd have to say "no real idea who will excel on PCT or WT level in a few years, sorry".
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| canojuancho |
Posted on 15-04-2014 16:45
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Well, finally Ewan and Groenewegen will be absent tomorrow in Picarde.
I think the winner will be one of these riders:
Kristoffer Skjerping, Nicolas Marini, Owain Doull, Liam Bertazzo, Tiesj Benoot
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-04-2014 06:44
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Alakagom wrote:
cio93 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Agreed about Nielsen, looks really good rider.
I wouldn't look too much in junior results, many rider had amazing results at junior level, but never stepped up ( this is also true for U23 but much less nowadays I'd say )
Well there's no other way for us to judge potential if you don't happen to be their coach
Though there are indeed some Danish riders not living up to their talent, have you ever heard of Ostergaard or Guldhammer again?
And I guess Valgren Andersen doesn't fall under the kind of category you're interested in anymore now that he's on a WT team already?
Well true, but still we can't say which one is the most talented or which one will specialize in what, far too early. Especially in juniors I feel. Of course you pick out the talented riders though and know which terrains they will perform best at - but you can't say how far developed they are.
Example of many Dutch cyclists from Rabo CT failing at WT level as their have already as youngsters reached their potential and could not improve much further.
Was the Valgren question to me or the OP btw ?
Also there is other side of coin, riders coming from cross or MTB, that make other U23 road dominators look like kids with their entry to WT racing. You know who i am talking about here.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 16-04-2014 15:29
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Also there is other side of coin, riders coming from cross or MTB, that make other U23 road dominators look like kids with their entry to WT racing. You know who i am talking about here.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 16-04-2014 16:11
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jph27 wrote:
Boudat is a big talent in my eyes. World Omnium champion aged 19 a few months back, looks like a Coquard/Demare so interested to see how he does.
Good shout
 La Côte Picarde (1.Ncup)
Having read small interview that Benoot would not be leader today and woukld help his teammates (and his condition before LBL) Belgian team really played their cards well.
With 3km to go 9 riders attacked. And they made it to the finish. Wallays won from that group to take the win.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 16-04-2014 16:36
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Wallays a bit of a surprise, has had some decent results on hilly parcours before but has been very inconsistent. It'll be interesting to see how he builds on this victory.
Boudat proving me right, shame he couldn't win but never mind. Now to get him added to the Man-Game with Demare like stats just for cio. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 16-04-2014 16:37
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jph27 wrote:
Wallays a bit of a surprise, has had some decent results on hilly parcours before but has been very inconsistent. It'll be interesting to see how he builds on this victory.
Boudat proving me right, shame he couldn't win but never mind. Now to get him added to the Man-Game with Demare like stats just for cio.
If you want him like that better to wait a season before adding him then While he'll get some results I think next year will be much bigger for him in terms of results.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 09:00
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LBL U23 and the ZLM Tour today I believe. Has anyone got a startlist for them?  |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 19-04-2014 09:02
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Direct velo have both, can't really give you a link as on my mobile, but you should find it easy enough.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 09:12
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LBL U23 Startlist
Spoiler RC PESANT CLUB LIEGEOIS
1 BODART Jérôme
2 DEGUIDE Louis
3 LONAY Cédric
4 PAULS Geoffrey
5 PETITPAS Sébastien
6 ROYEN Aurélien
Remplaçants :
CHEVALIER Basile
DEGUIDE Benoît
LECOCQ Benjamin
T.PALM-PÔLE CONTINENTAL WALLON
7 POPPE Olivier
8 SENY Alexandre
9 VAN CRAEN Toshoni
10 VEKEMAN Maxime
11 VESSEY Tom
12 PINEDA Hendrik
ROYAL ANTWERP BICYCLE CLUB
13 COP Jurgen
14 DE BRUIJN Jarno
15 RAEYMAEKERS Mattias
16 SMET Cedric
17 STEENS Johan
18 VAN AKEN Matthias
Remplaçants :
VAN DEN BRANDEN Viktor
VAN DEN PLAS Jelle
VAN LOOY Diego
VERANDAS WILLEMS
19 CARNEVALI Jean-albert
20 WASTYN Emiel
21 MERTZ Nicolas
22 CONVENS Louis
23 TOUQUET Joren
24 GOOLAERTS Michael
Remplaçant :
DE TROCH Thomas
COLOR CODE-BIOWANZE
25 ROBEET Ludovic
26 MERTZ Remy
27 DELFOSSE Florent
28 KAISE Julien
29 HUBERT Romain
30 WARNIER Antoine
R DERUETTE Thomas
R KERF Jérôme
R LELEU Antoine
ROYAL VELO-CLUB OTTIGNIES
31 ADAM Alexis
32 CADRON Julien
33 FRANCOIS Christopher
34 LA ROSE Dimitri
35 PIETTE Julien
36 REYNAERTS Wim
R BERTRAND Sébastien
R DE SCHUYTER Arne
R VANDENBULCKE Christopher
CYCLING TEAM BCV WORKS-SOENENS
37 DECORTE Axel
38 PERSOON Joeri
39 VANDROMME Evert
40 MAES Alexander
41 VERBEKEN Cédric
42 SOENENS Alessandro
Remplaçants :
DEFREYNE Cédric
LOWYCK Jesse
VAN RENTERGHEM Bram
TEAM 3M
43 DE MAN Jaap
44 POT Sebastiaan
45 SCHUERMANS Jens
46 VANDENBOGAERDE Jens
47 VAN ZIJL Dylan
48 VERMEULEN Emiel
VL TECHNICS-ABUTRIEK CYCLING TEAM
49 COOLS Michaël
50 D´HONDT Maarten
51 VAN BREUSSEGEM Elias
52 BOSMANS Tom
53 VANDENABEELE Emill
54 VAN BROEKHOVEN Bram
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DECOSTER Merlijn
LOGIER Jan
MOELEKER Ivar
DE TOEKOMSTVRIENDEN BAAL
55 WYNANTS Arne
56 CLÉ Brent
57 CANT Jelle
58 VAN BEYLEN Jens
59 GEERAERTS Joni
60 COOLEN Yves
LOTTO-BELISOL U23
61 BENOOT Tiesj
62 DELTOMBE Kévin
63 MEURISSE Xandro
64 RUYTERS Brecht
65 VAN ROOY Kenneth
66 VERVAEKE Louis
Remplaçants :
DE PLUS Laurens
VAN GESTEL Dries
VANBESIEN Thomas
BOFROST-PRORACE CYCLING TEAM
67 DANIELS Wouter
68 LIVYNS Arjen
69 PANIS Maxim
70 TOOTH Niels
71 WILLEMS Kenny
72 WILLEMS Robby
R VANDER ELST Kjell
UNITED CYCLING TEAM SINT TRUIDEN
73 RAYMACKERS Cedric
74 TEUGELS Lennert
75 EYSKENS Jeroen
76 BROEKMANS Glenn
77 THIERENS Sam
78 STERCKX Lowie
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DESAIR Maarten
GEERTS Jesse
EFC-OMEGA PHARMA-QUICK STEP
79 WALLAYS Jens
80 DECLERCQ Benjamin
81 GUNST Davy
82 DE TIER Floris
83 LONCIN Gilles
84 FEYS Jelle
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DESMECHT David
FARAZIJN Maxime
BIANCHI-LOTTO-NIEUWE HOOP TIELEN
85 AMSTRONG Thomas
86 BASTIAENS Loorin
87 DE PAEPE Johannes
88 DECOSTER Gert-jan
89 LEHAEN Dries
90 CATANIA Claudio
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VERBRAEKEN Niels
VERTOMMEN Jeff
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92 LECROQ Jérémy
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94 MOTTIER Justin
95 TURGIS Anthony
96 VAN HAVERBEKE Julien
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MOREAU Yoann
TRACA Baptiste
BREST IROISE CYCLISME 2000
97 LE GAC Olivier
98 BONNAMOUR Franck
99 CAM Maxime
100 COQUIL Sébastien
101 HASPOT Anthony
102 MILLOUR Geoffrey
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BODIN Clement
ROLLAND Fabien
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103 MARTIN Guillaume
104 LE LAVANDIER Mathieu
105 DOUBEY Fabien
106 FAUSSURRIER Romain
107 FERNANDES Mathieu
108 GOULOT Kévin
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HOFSTETTER Hugo
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109 BARBEAU Clément
110 FERASSE Thibault
111 LATOUCHE Normann
112 BOUEDO Martin
113 COLAS Vincent
114 MIRA Anthony
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CHAMBERY CYCLISME FORMATION
115 BIDARD François
116 LATOUR Pierre-Roger
117 LEBRAT Dorian
118 LEGROS Adrien
119 LE LEVANDIER Maxime
120 PETERS Nans
Remplaçants :
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ROUX Julien
VIEL Mattia
VENDEE U
121 CALMEJANE Lillian
122 DUFOUR Valentin
123 GUYOT Romain
124 GRELLIER Fabien
125 LEPLINGARD Antoine
126 THEVENOT Guillaume
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RIVIERE David
SELLIER Simon
DANEMARK
127 PEDERSEN Mads
128 NIELSEN Magnus Cort
129 VINJEBO Emil
130 ANDERSEN Søren Kragh
131 PIESNER Frederik Lind
132 HALVORSEN Emil Baekhoj
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GRON Martin
RIJS Thomas Nybo
DEVELOPMENT TEAM GIANT-SHIMANO
133 BIERMANS Jenthe
134 BROCKHOFF Jan
135 FRAME Alex
136 LUDVIGSSON Fredrik
137 JEPPESEN Mathias Rask
138 SCHACHMANN Maximilian
RABOBANK DEVELOPMENT TEAM
139 GERTS Floris
140 HOFSTEDE Lennard
141 KOREVAAR Merijn
142 OOMEN Sam
143 TUSVELD Martijn
144 BUDDING Martijn
Remplaçants :
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VAN EMPEL Etienne
CROFORD CYCLING TEAM
145 BECKERINGH Derk Abel
146 MOERLAND Paul
147 VAN BEUSICHEM Thijs
148 VAN DALEN Jason
149 HARMSEN Bart
150 JANSSEN Adriaan
Remplaçants :
BUGTER Jasper
BUGTER Luuc
VAN REEK Timon
BACQUE CAMPOS CYCLING TEAM
151 TRUEBA DIEGO Alvaro
152 GARCIA CELAYA Alex
153 ANGUO SAMPEDRO Antonio
154 SANCHEZ JAUREGI Oier
155 JIMINEZ LOZANO Carlos Anton
156 BARRIENTOS Julian
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URKILOA CERDENO Oscar
BISSELL DEVELOPMENT TEAM
157 CURRAN Geoffrey
158 EASTMAN Ryan
159 DANIEL Gregory
160 GEOGHEGAN HART Tao
161 PUTT Tanner
162 ZEPUNTKE Ruben
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OWEN Logan
BMC DEVELOPMENT TEAM
163 BOHLI Tom
164 EISENHART Taylo
165 HEMROULLE Johan
166 TEUNS Dylan
167 VLIEGEN Loïc
168 LYNCH Paul
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169 AUSTEVOLL Ole Andre
170 HERMANSEN Sindre Eid
171 JENSEN Jan William
172 REGE Even
173 STOKKENES Torstein
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175 DIETERICH Silvan
176 KNIPP Niels
177 PELLAUD Simon
178 RUDAZ Manuel
179 STUSSI Colin
180 THALMANN Roland
AUSTRALIE
181 HAMILTON Thomas
182 CARPENTER Harry
183 CLEMENTS Alexander
184 SCHULTZ Nicholas
185 POWER Robert
186
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187 BARBIO Antonio
188 COUTNHO Leonel
189 REIS Rafael Ferreira
190 GUERREIRO Ruben
191 MATOS Nuno
192 GOMES Luis
Remplaçants :
CARNEIRO Carlos
FERREIRA Ricardo
RIBEIRO Carlos
ETIXX
193 HOELGAARD Daniel
194 CUADROS MORATA Alvaro
195 GUERIN Alexis
196 GHISTELINCK Paco
197 RUMAC Josip
198 SPOKES Samuel
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HOELGAARD Markus
KERKHOF Tim |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 19-04-2014 09:16
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ZLM Tour Startlist
Spoiler PAYS-BAS
1 Andre Looij
2 Cees Bol
3 Ricardo Van Dongen
4 Bas Tietema
5 Tim Kerkhof
6 Taco Van der Hoorn
FRANCE
11 Thomas Boudat
12 Loïc Chetout
13 Cédric Delaplace
14 Jérémy Leveau
15 Lorenzo Manzin
16 Marc Sarreau
ITALIE
21 Liam Bertazzo
22 Ignazio Moser
23 Paolo Simion
24 Nicolas Marini
25 Oliviero Troia
26 Davide Martinelli
DANEMARK
31 Michael Carbel Svendgaard
32 Casper Folsach
33 Asbjorn Kragh Andersen
34 Christoffer Lisson
35 Frederik Lind Plesner
36 Mathias Rask Jeppesen
BELGIQUE
41 Paco Ghistelinck
42 Michael Goolaerts
43 Rob Leemans
44 Daan Myngheer
45 Rutger Roelandts
46 Bert Van Lerberghe
ALLEMAGNE
51 Arne Egner
52 Jan Dieteren
53 Jonas Koch
54 Matthias Plarre
55 Johannes Weber
56 Ruben Zepuntke
SLOVENIE
61 Luka Pibernik
62 Gasper Katrasnik
63 Martin Otonicar
64 Marko Pavlic
65 David Per
66 Andrej Rajsp
NORVEGE
71 Sondre Holst Enger
72 Daniel Hoelgaard
73 Markus Hoelgaard
74 Sven Erik Bystrom
75 Amund Jansen Grondahl
76 Kristoffer Skjerping
ESPAGNE
81 Mikel Aristi Gardoki
82 Daniel Sanchez Cidonc
83 Mario Gonzalez Salas
84 Marc Soler Gimenez
85 Imanol Estevez Salas
86 Hector Saez Benito
LETTONIE
91 Emils Liepins
92 Krists Neilands
93 Andris Vosekalns
94 Andrejs Podans
95 Krisjanis Beitans
96 Janis Riekstins
GRANDE-BRETAGNE
101 Owain Doull
102 Jonathan Dibben
103 Christopher Latham
104 Germain Burton
105 Christopher Lawless
106 Scott Davies
AUTRICHE
111 Daniel Biedermann
112 Patrick Bosman
113 Maximilian Kuen
114 Gregor Mühlberger
115 Lukas Pöstlberger
116 Sebastian Schönberger
RUSSIE
121 Kirill Yatsevich
122 Mikhail Akimov
123 Aleksandr Grigorev
124 Victor Manakov
125 Mamyr Stash
126 Evgeny Zverkov
SUEDE
131 Kim Magnusson
132 Gustav Hoog
133 Marcus Faglum Karlsson
134 Pontus Kastemyr
135 Edvin Tholin
136 Emil Andersson
SLOVAQUIE
141 Filip Taragel
142 Robert Malik
143 Jan Chalupcik
144 Lubos Malovec
145 Erik Baska
146 Mario Dasko
ISRAEL
151 Ido Zilberstein
152 Roy Goldstein
153 Aviv Yehezkel
154 Ben Einhorn
155 Guy Gabay
156 Tal Gabbay
ETATS-UNIS
161 Alexandre Darville
162 Miguel Bryon
163 Robin Carpenter
164 Eamon Lucas Frank
165 Robin Eckmann
166 Daniel Eaton
KAZAKHSTAN
171 Maxat Ayazbayev
172 Bakhtiyar Kozhatayev
173 Dmitriy Rive
174 Ilya Davidenok
175 Viktor Okishev
176 Nurbolat Kulimbetov
AUSTRALIE
181 Alex Edmondson
182 Campbell Flakemore
183 Joshua Harrison
184 Robert-Jon McCarthy
185 Alexander Morgan
186 Miles Scotson
JAPON
191 Tanzo Tokuda
192 Manabu Ishibashi
193 Toshiki Omote
194 Ohko Shimizu
195 Hiroki Nishimura
196 Naoya Uchino
SUISSE
201 Gianluca Ocanha
202 Théry Schir
203 Lars Schnyder
204 Maxime Froidevaux
205 Gabriel Chavanne
206 Lukas Spengler
POLOGNE
211 Jakub Kaczmarek
212 Wojciech Sykala
213 Prze Kasperkiewicz
214 Mateusz Nowak
215 Tomasz Mickiewicz
216 Arkadiusz Owsian
ESTONIE
221 Mihkel Räim
222 Martin Laas
223 Timmo Jeret
224 Peeter Tarvis
225 Oskar Nisu
226 Kristian Neemela
LUXEMBOURG
231 Kevin Feiereisen
232 Sven Fritsch
233 Alex Kirsch
234 Massimo Morabito
235 Jérôme Theis
236 Luc Turchi
IRLANDE
241 Conor Dunne
242 Jack Wilson
243 Ryan Mullen
244 Felix English
245 Stephen Clancy
246 Conor McIlwaine
ALGERIE
251 Adil Barbari
252 Abderahmane Bechlaghem
253 Abderah Mansouri
254 Nassim Saidi
255 Abdelaziz Yahmi
256 Mohamed Bouzdi
UKRAINE
261 Mykhailo Polikarpov
262 Andriy Bratashchuk
263 Marlen Zmorka
264 Andriy Orlov
265 Taras Parfenyuk
266 Sergiy Kozachenko |
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