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Team U25 - Stage 4
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 09-06-2013 21:20
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OK folks, please stop with the stat controversy. As I previously stated, these are temporary, and will be changed with the new game. While I do appreciate input, I would very much like to hear conversation on what you can do with what you are given, not crying over how the stats are wrong. Thank you.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-06-2013 21:27
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Do you know how the stat improvement system will work yet? And if so can you post it? Makes quite a lot of difference when looking at the stats... And i feel within my right to complain when a stat i specifically stated was a specialty is below 70, and his main skill, at age 23 (with max 2 years left in the squad) is only 70...
And more generally about what riders want from the future. Everyone i assume wants to eventually get to the WT. 23+ in age you'll want out of the team within 1-2seasons, 20-22 want out in 2-3seasons and U20 can hang around for a while. No-one will want to be 24-25 and still in a U25 development team at CT level.
More specifically about Hinault, move to WT at the end of the season, or the best PCT French team. Win TDF KoM 8 times (more than Richard managed)...
Edited by TheManxMissile on 09-06-2013 21:36
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 09-06-2013 21:29
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Okay, sorry(though I wasn't one of the most heavy complainers).
Wesley is a decent climber, can certainly be of use for the team.
Leader role probably won't be possible(  ), but a free role should certainly be a possiblity.
Being equal on MO & HI can definitely be an advantage, especially for longer stage-races with both mountains and hills. Can't do much on TTs, but he's still one of the best of the team I guess, like he should(As a type-Mollema, but compared to the rest of the team) of course 
@TMM A speciality doesn't necassarily mean 70+ stats on this level
And you could also have stayed longer on this team if you'd want that, by saying he's age f.e 21 
Edited by Jesleyh on 09-06-2013 21:31
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-06-2013 21:38
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@Jesl
Well i assumed saying Age 23 would get him good stats. Now i wish his age was 18 so he would have the time to develop (around 5-6 seasons instead of 1-2)...
DH talent can come at any age and doing 5000m climbing almost every day for 3+ years should make for a great climber...
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 09-06-2013 21:45
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And compared to the rest of the team, he is a good climber. I get your point and I guess 72/73 wouldn't be unreasonable, but to expect high 70's would kindah ruin the point off being in a "Development" team after all no?
Also, your comments re DH and FTR aren't correct for 2 reasons, firstly we develop our riders using the points we gain from our riders successes so you could spend those on developing these stats, and secondly they do develop under normal training anyway, their is just no training style within the game which will advance them at beyond there natural rate of progression
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-06-2013 21:51
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Wasn't expecting high 70's, but is was expecting 72/73 for the team leaders (those aged 22-24) with only 1-2 years possible on the team.
I know what you mean with FTR and DH but i'm really confused about developing stats... Is it 100% NTT's system or is it a mix of 0.3dev + NTT's system? And what is NTT's system? What are the riders potential? All important things to consider when complaining. For now all i can compare it to is 0.3 dev and a standard potential (3-5). Which for a 23yo points to a career as a domestique for a WT team (once you include the standard stat inflation) or co-leader/free role at a mid-level PCT team.
But i don't get why the other key ability i mentioned (and i mentioned only 2) apart from climbing, can't also be 70-73 to start with?
EDIT: Also realizing this sounds a lot like "my guy isn't the best waa waa unfiar" spoiled brat type deal. Not my intention.
I wouldn't mind his stats if he were 20-21 with a good few seasons in this squad to improve to a level where he can be useful in the WT. And also that we know nothing about the development system, which is a major part of this.
The stats are very good for a development squad and now have the balance, structure and differentiation they needed. But that they don't necessarily match up with ages in the way that they should.
Edited by TheManxMissile on 09-06-2013 22:01
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:07
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Here then is an idea of the system. I'll use Hinault in the Tour of Malaysia 2013 to give you an idea.
Stage 1: He finishes 63rd, but didn't breakaway and performed minimal work for the team. He earns 10 points.
Stage 2: Early breakaway and wins the only KOTM points of the day. Finishes 40th, and earns 25 points.
Stage 3: Does very well up the first part of the Highlands. Finishes 14th, earns 15 points.
He now has 50 points to use. Each of his stats will cost its own value to increase by 1. So, theoretically, if you solely train the MO stat, you could +2 your MO skill over the course of this 10-day flat race alone. This is in addition to regular 0.3(possibly 0.2) development, and individual training, which is basically just you choosing what attributes to focus on in training. So your 70MO will most likely be 75-77 by the end of one year. Bakker's 69SP could be 80 by the end of the season if specifically focused upon.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:13
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Now i'm happy following that explanation 
DH could still be higher
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:15
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NTTHRASH wrote:
Here then is an idea of the system. I'll use Hinault in the Tour of Malaysia 2013 to give you an idea.
Stage 1: He finishes 63rd, but didn't breakaway and performed minimal work for the team. He earns 10 points.
Stage 2: Early breakaway and wins the only KOTM points of the day. Finishes 40th, and earns 25 points.
Stage 3: Does very well up the first part of the Highlands. Finishes 14th, earns 15 points.
He now has 50 points to use. Each of his stats will cost its own value to increase by 1. So, theoretically, if you solely train the MO stat, you could +2 your MO skill over the course of this 10-day flat race alone. This is in addition to regular 0.3(possibly 0.2) development, and individual training, which is basically just you choosing what attributes to focus on in training. So your 70MO will most likely be 75-77 by the end of one year. Bakker's 69SP could be 80 by the end of the season if specifically focused upon.
I like that  *evil laugh*
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:20
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I think that it seems fair. Especially to the 17/18 year olds that will equal Taaramae in 3 or 4 years.
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:52
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So if I understand correctly, if my rider has 50 in mountain, I have to use 51 points to go to 51 mountain, right? |
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:53
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mvhoogdalem wrote:
So if I understand correctly, if my rider has 50 in mountain, I have to use 51 points to go to 51 mountain, right?
50. But close enough.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:54
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So I didn't see my rider on the updated stats...I'll assume hes the guy below the barrier?
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| mvhoogdalem |
Posted on 09-06-2013 22:59
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NTTHRASH wrote:
mvhoogdalem wrote:
So if I understand correctly, if my rider has 50 in mountain, I have to use 51 points to go to 51 mountain, right?
50. But close enough.
Ah right. Then I have no problem with the starting stats |
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 10-06-2013 00:13
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Kentaurus wrote:
So I didn't see my rider on the updated stats...I'll assume hes the guy below the barrier?
Yeah. 67TT, 69PRL, 68FL. If you want his key stats.
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 10-06-2013 01:03
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10 days...
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 10-06-2013 01:08
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NTTHRASH wrote:
Kentaurus wrote:
So I didn't see my rider on the updated stats...I'll assume hes the guy below the barrier?
Yeah. 67TT, 69PRL, 68FL. If you want his key stats.
Thats fine, didn't expect his average rating to be very high, TT doesn't ever get high mark unless other stats are also high. Not worried about it.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 10-06-2013 05:56
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Is it me, or is the development too fast? Second season will get the team massive points by having amazing stats.
Can't we halve points? You could still develop f.e Bakker's sprint from 69 to 76 in one year, and Hinault's climbing from 70 to 76/77(C'mon, if 1 stage-race is already 2/3 MO points...)
Or maybe letting youngsters develop a little bit slower than old guys(24 year's 0,6x the system, 23 0,55 22 0,5 21 0,45 20 0,4 19 0,35 18 0,3
Yes, 24 year old develop 2 times as fast as 18 years, but 18 years have way more years left and will be way way better than current 24 year olds are now when they are 24.
Just a suggestion, see what you do with it, but suggestions aren't a bad thing as you said
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| elmaestro |
Posted on 10-06-2013 06:30
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i agree with jes
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please?
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| Selwink |
Posted on 10-06-2013 06:31
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Well, I had totally missed that points system. Being leader on the cobbles will make sure I am more likely to score points, and thus develop earlier. My bad
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