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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-04-2013 22:35
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Bottas has the best record of all the new guys!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-04-2013 22:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
@isso
Bottas has the best record of all the new guys!
Bianchi
EDIT: To elaborate, Bottas was expected to win the title with the dominant ART team in F3, but he spent 2 seasons there and couldn't even get in the fight, much less win.
Then in GP3 he was a bit down in the standings until midseason ART finally managed to make use of their much better technical staff to find a killer setup and their cars were dominant from there....yet if it wasn't for his much less experienced teammate having several mechanical failures, Bottas would've not won the title either.
Speaking of his teammate, Calado might be the real deal. It's too early to say, but he's definitely at least decent.
Now, I'm not knocking Bottas. Just that his record can't be compared to Bianchi's. F3 champion, Gp2 3rd in the championship and race winner, FR3.5 race winner and would've been champion if Frinjs hadn't rammed him off the road to win the title
Edited by issoisso on 22-04-2013 22:41
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| ppanther |
Posted on 22-04-2013 22:54
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issoisso wrote:
He's not good enough for F1. I could name 20 drivers the same age that have proven at the same level to have more talent, and that's just in his age group
Heck, without money Pic wouldn't get an F1 seat and even he's miles ahead of v.d.Garde...literally, by the end of every race.
Yes, he isn't good enough, considering many others without money haven't a place, but it's the same with Pic and with his second year im F1 he should crush v.d.Garde anyway.
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The fact of the matter is that vdG had several years in F3, GP2, etc with the best teams and he's produced nothing. Meanwhile the reigning GP2 champion is stuck being a reserve driver because he has no money
A pity that some good drivers, can't afford F1, doesn't have a sponsor, or aren't sponsored by a potent sponsor.
Also 2nd placed Razza has no cockpit, after promising a potential sponsor a good team and Marussia a sponsor. When this got public, the sponsor pulled out and his cockpit was gone. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-04-2013 23:00
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I'd hardly call two 3rds failing.
If you break it down to the simplest level, number of wins, poles, podiums, f/laps and championships Bottas is ahead.
And not to knock Bianchi, but 3rd in GP2 is good, but look at the others who have finished 3rd... not a great role call of drivers. Not bad but not great
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-04-2013 23:24
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I'd hardly call two 3rds failing.
If you break it down to the simplest level, number of wins, poles, podiums, f/laps and championships Bottas is ahead.
And not to knock Bianchi, but 3rd in GP2 is good, but look at the others who have finished 3rd... not a great role call of drivers. Not bad but not great
So you're saying winning GP3 is a better indicator than being 3rd in GP2?
Hate to spoil your party, but the only other guy who won GP3 was precisely 3rd in GP2  (In his 2nd year. 1st year he was 13th)
The important thing is that Bianchi was 3rd as a rookie.
Like I said, it was a relative failure. It was only a failure compared to the lofty expectations Ferrari (and everyone else to be fair) had of him
Edited by issoisso on 22-04-2013 23:27
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-04-2013 23:29
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Well Bottas never drove in GP2, so saying Bianchi is better cause he was 3rd in GP2 is kind of unfair. And i never said GP3 was a better indicator than GP2.
Personally i have seen more to say that Bottas has more potential than Bianchi.
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 22-04-2013 23:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
tovhol wrote:
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The Toro Rosso is just total crap ever since the 2009 season. Ricciardo is doing a better job than Vergne.
I can't see why you guys think Ricciardo is that bad, please explain? 
Di Resta is just having an amazing car at the moment.
I actually think Ricciardo is doing well 
Better than Vergne!
And Di Resta is just amazing for the time.
The Torro Rosso is basically the RBR car, minus the latest few updates. They can't buy the chassis out right, but it's the same fundamental design. And powered by Ferrari of course.
2010 it was a decent mid-field car (mid-field being Torro Rosse, Force India, Williams, Sauber)
2011 it was again decent, being ahead of the FI and WI most of the time
2012 they slipped backwards once the blown diffuser was banned
Vergne has not been good at any point in F1. Ricciardo has only had one stand out performance to me, and that was Australia 2012. He is fast yes, but no faster than anyone should be in F1.
Di Resta currently has a great car right now yes, but Paul has always been quick and regularly collects points. More than Vergne or Ricciardo over a comparable time.
Ricciardo scored 10pts last season, Vergne 16pts. Paul scored 46 in 2012 and 27 in 2011 (when the car was not that much better than the TR)
The torro rosso is nothing like the RB9, it is a totally different car. You are not allowed anymore to buy or use another team's chassis like in 2008. Torro rosso have their own wind tunnel and development facilities etc.
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Posted on 22-04-2013 23:41
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mattiasgt wrote:
The torro rosso is nothing like the RB9, it is a totally different car. You are not allowed anymore to buy or use another team's chassis like in 2008. Torro rosso have their own wind tunnel and development facilities etc.
But i do wonder how much "assistance" they get from the main RBR team... probably a fair amount
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 22-04-2013 23:43
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TheManxMissile wrote:
mattiasgt wrote:
The torro rosso is nothing like the RB9, it is a totally different car. You are not allowed anymore to buy or use another team's chassis like in 2008. Torro rosso have their own wind tunnel and development facilities etc.
But i do wonder how much "assistance" they get from the main RBR team... probably a fair amount
I wonder if there's anything stopping them from sharing data, if nto then surely they are effectively getting twice as much testing time as anyone else.
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 23-04-2013 23:29
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There is probably nothing stopping any team from sharing data with another team if they really want to.
However, using data from another car to increase your own car's performance would be very time-consuming, because one car would react differently to data from another car and you would have to apply and alter the data to suite your own car. Thus, even if data would be shared, it would never come close to be the equivalent of twice as much testing time as anyone else. The cars would have needed to be nearly identical for that.
Red Bull doesn't have time to give assistance to Toro Rosso and at the same time develop a championship winning car. The speed of the development race is just too high for that.
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Posted on 23-04-2013 23:43
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Find it funny how people say Ricciardo is slow, yet the first two races he was robbed points after driving a car which had a broken exhaust, meaning he lost at least half a second, and was still inside the top 10. Vergne on the otherhand, was second off Ricciardo in Chinese GP qualifying. Enough said. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-05-2013 12:48
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Alonso and Webber interviewing each other for the BBC...
Camera man asks: "Who will win the title?"
Alsono: "....Real Madrid"
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Posted on 12-05-2013 13:59
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Two observations from today:
1:This is ridiculous! Now the teams tell their drivers NOT to Race anymore... So its basically completely pointless to run a formula 1 team anymore cause everyone just wants to save the limited sets of Tyres... Give them as many rubbers as they want, let them fuel up again and let them go flat out... This is just not fun to watch anymore. The last two years were fine, but this year its just too much dictation from the tyres...
2: McLaren should just scrap their season and go back to the drawing board... This is the worst car they have ever build! I mean, Perez was just overtaken by a Torro Rosso and lost almost 3.5 seconds in the span of a lap or two.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 25-05-2013 18:53
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first time this season a "new" team made it to Q2 
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 25-05-2013 22:32
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
first time this season a "new" team made it to Q2
SUPERGIEDO!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best thingz; he spend his youth in my hometown!
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 25-05-2013 22:44
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Yeah, Giedo was great today!
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 12:39
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Twenty minutes to go. Too bad there isn't rain forecasted. I hope it'll be a nice race and not that boring as Spain.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 12:40
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Don't worry. You'll have a train of car's behind Rosberg. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 13:15
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Miguel98 wrote:
Don't worry. You'll have a train of car's behind Rosberg.
Spot-on. Van der Garde is faster than Rosberg
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 13:26
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I wonder how the fuck Mercedes win qualifiying. It's just... so. |
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