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Posted on 24-10-2012 17:54
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bigggassi wrote:
I don't see it the way many of you do. I think its a nice typical route for the tdf. Yeah, maybe the hype was a bit too high and many of us were expecting more. But in the end its not the route, but rather the riders which make a tdf interesting.
From what I've seen and know about the route, I think the odds are way better for a thrilling tour than this years edition. shorter tt's, and a very interesting last climbing week. I even don't get the point that there are not steep enough climbs. We saw in this years vuelta that the steepest climbs don't guarantee huge gaps. It was a mediocre climbing stage where Contador won the vuelta.
So, I like the new course. And if Contador and Schleck come with a good form to the tour it should be very interesting...
Heh. See, I pray contador doesnt show because if he does its boring. We got years of watching the same doped idiot winning the TdF and his just Lance MK2. I hated the vuelta cos I had to keep seeing his doping face. |
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Posted on 24-10-2012 20:58
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Well... at first look it's a 'meh' route for me, but hopefuly it will be better than this year's. A summit finish in the Tourmalet would be great too. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 25-10-2012 07:31
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
In addition to a smaller field with less crashes, it'll also be harder to control the race, like Sky did this year. Just look at the Olympics, and how awesome that race was.
I'd like to see even smaller squads, like 5-6 riders. In all races.
Exactly this, i would look forward to lesser control from the big teams. But as Alakagom says, eight are still enough to do it. Anyway ,nice move that would be. 
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Posted on 25-10-2012 08:24
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Flair wrote:
Heh. See, I pray contador doesnt show because if he does its boring. We got years of watching the same doped idiot winning the TdF and his just Lance MK2. I hated the vuelta cos I had to keep seeing his doping face.
Even I don't like Contador at all, his attacking style in the vuelta was great to watch. After the "boring" Tour de France it was a nice change. Yeah, maybe he's doped, but nothing would make me more sick than seeing another sky-train making the tour boring. I hope all big names will show up.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 09:35
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bigggassi wrote:
Flair wrote:
Heh. See, I pray contador doesnt show because if he does its boring. We got years of watching the same doped idiot winning the TdF and his just Lance MK2. I hated the vuelta cos I had to keep seeing his doping face.
Even I don't like Contador at all, his attacking style in the vuelta was great to watch. After the "boring" Tour de France it was a nice change. Yeah, maybe he's doped, but nothing would make me more sick than seeing another sky-train making the tour boring. I hope all big names will show up.
Yeah. I watch WWE cos its entertaining, but I know its fake. Same thing applies with contator, but his pretending to be real. Its amazing how you can have a crazy attackking style when you dont tire cos yout doped to the nines.
Hense I dont enjoy his attacking style because I know what fuels it. Lance and crew made amaxing attacks on climbs, but its all fake, an illusion. They arent really capable of that.
EDIT. Also dont buy into the boring TdF thing either. I kinda am a fan of control tho and that tdf was a brilliant exhibit of controlling a race, managing endurance and picking your spots. It was like a real race.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 10:24
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I don't want to launch a doping debate, but I don't get how you can praise the domination of the whole sky team at the tour as true racing and mark contador as a scumbag. It was mentioned somewhere in doping thread, the wattages of froome and wiggins at the tour were significantly higher than the output of contador at the vuelta. Also the doubtful strengths of Porte and Rogers. It seems like everybody of them could climb, the last time I saw this was at the us postal time. Not just that everybode could climb, they were doing this all day. So where is the difference between Sky domination and Contador attacking day in and out? If a whole team is so dominating that no contender can attack without destroying himself, I become suspicious.
I really hope Contador and Schleck will participate at the Tour de France to get a comparism of how dominating Sky still is...
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:16
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I dont know about specific wattages. What I do know is this years TdF was very slow compared to previous years.
Without going into specific cases of who is doping and who isnt, i'll explain the difference. Too me, from a logic perspective, long stage races are all about control. Its obvious you'll never be stronger indivually then the rest of the field on every stage of the race. So teams need to control the pace. A team beinng at the front doesnt mean they are always actively looking to push hard and drop people. It just means they are trying to control the pace of the race
Postal controlled the pack, but they took the drugs so they could put on monster attacks on the climbs. Us Postal would have had the whole team follow when Froome attacked on that infamous day, as they would been like 'we feel good and can puut some time in'. Its notable sky didnt. Much like postal, they didnt need too. The difference is Sky could lose out by pushing as they would pay for it later in the race. Postal would be bright and sparky the next day and do it alll over again.
Thats why for me, controlling a race is indiative of clean racing. Constant attacks to me are indictative of doping.
Dont forget too that whilst some of the skky guys arent known as being awesome climbers, they are all great TTers. And when controlling the pack up a hill, its all about pushing a big ring, not the explosive bursts you generally assosiate with climbers. |
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:23
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I really like the route, sure it could do with one or two more mountains, but I'm generally happy with it. I'm sick of GTs that only have 3 or 4 stages for sprinters - sure they are boring but if you only have a handful then the best sprinters aren't going to turn up and then all of the sprint stages just become shit. 7 flat stages seems to strike the right balance for me.
Also I'm a big fan of the TTT and it should really make things interesting as Contador is going to lose a lot of time there, which should help things to kick off in the mountains.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:32
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CountArach wrote:
Also I'm a big fan of the TTT and it should really make things interesting as Contador is going to lose a lot of time there, which should help things to kick off in the mountains.
Wut? In 25km? He'll lose a handful of seconds there, not more.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:34
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I wouldnt be so sure Conta will loose tons of time there in the TT, with new super domestiques like Kreuziger and Roche, if they will both ride at the Tour. Maybe a minute max?
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:36
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kumazan wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Also I'm a big fan of the TTT and it should really make things interesting as Contador is going to lose a lot of time there, which should help things to kick off in the mountains.
Wut? In 25km? He'll lose a handful of seconds there, not more.
Compared to Sky? I'd be thinking closer to a minute, maybe a little more.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:42
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No way they lose a minute in 25km. They lost 28" in 2011 and 22" with a crap team in the Giro, with similar lengths.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:51
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When I read about the route I thought it was great, Ventoux, Huéz twice, Saint Michel TT, and all the rumours about Paris. But after looking at the profiles, I can't help but feel disappointed. Sure, it's an alright route and what not, but it could have been much much better.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:54
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Yeah I dont really like the TTT's you seems to get in tours. Tbh, I just dislike all TTs that are less the 45-50km. I seems ridiculous to me that the TTT is shorter then the ITT thats up a freaking mountain. How does that make any sense at all? |
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Posted on 25-10-2012 13:55
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kumazan wrote:
No way they lose a minute in 25km. They lost 28" in 2011 and 22" with a crap team in the Giro, with similar lengths.
Sure but they didn't have this strength of Sky team to contend with. If Sky puts in the same performances that they had this year then they should put in a lot more time than that.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 14:01
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Agree with kumazan. 25 km is not enough for Contador to lose alot of time. Had it been like in the Lance days with 60 km TTT it would be different and Sky could have taken truckloads of time. |
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Posted on 25-10-2012 14:22
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CountArach wrote:
kumazan wrote:
No way they lose a minute in 25km. They lost 28" in 2011 and 22" with a crap team in the Giro, with similar lengths.
Sure but they didn't have this strength of Sky team to contend with. If Sky puts in the same performances that they had this year then they should put in a lot more time than that.
Disagree. There's no room for "a lot more time" in such a short TT. Sure, they could lose 35" instead of 28", but Saxo's team has improved as well. I don't think the time loss will be above the half minute mark.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 14:53
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kumazan wrote:
CountArach wrote:
kumazan wrote:
No way they lose a minute in 25km. They lost 28" in 2011 and 22" with a crap team in the Giro, with similar lengths.
Sure but they didn't have this strength of Sky team to contend with. If Sky puts in the same performances that they had this year then they should put in a lot more time than that.
Disagree. There's no room for "a lot more time" in such a short TT. Sure, they could lose 35" instead of 28", but Saxo's team has improved as well. I don't think the time loss will be above the half minute mark.
Fair enough, I guess I just really want to see it make a difference.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 15:02
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Yeah, I wish it could make a bigger difference as well. I'm not the biggest fan of TTTs, but I think that, if you're going to put one, at least make it significant, ie. no less than 45km long.
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Posted on 25-10-2012 15:05
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Yeah, now the PCM 2013 TDF will be so hard because of that TTT  |
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