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Tour de France, Stage 16 - Wednesday, Pau - Bagnères-de-Luchon
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| lukaas |
Posted on 18-07-2012 13:54
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
Voeckler is going to win the stage I think. He looks really strong.
Don't like to see him taking Kessiakoff's points. 
I feel with you,but it would be shame a bit to let the not very good climber win the KOM 
He's a very good climber. Just look at la Vuelta last year. He was in the top5 before he got sick. TdF wasn't even his main-goal this season so he isn't in top shape. Vuelta is his main goal so you have to wait and see! |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-07-2012 13:55
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CapzLock wrote:
kumazan wrote:
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I think it's only because they ride in their own country...Do they really ride like this elsewhere ? don't think so..
Did you see Voeckler's win at the Brabantse Pijl?
I'm talking in general...and i do not like Voeckler. Riders don't like him but most of the crowd likes him...weird
I couldn't care less who the riders like or not. Many of them like Armstrong, mind you.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-07-2012 13:57
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Kessiakoff should go..if he wants max points what he can get |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 13:59
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kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
I think it's only because they ride in their own country...Do they really ride like this elsewhere ? don't think so..
Did you see Voeckler's win at the Brabantse Pijl?
I'm talking in general...and i do not like Voeckler. Riders don't like him but most of the crowd likes him...weird
I couldn't care less who the riders like or not. Many of them like Armstrong, mind you.
Because a lot of fans like attacking riders. Not wheelsuckers like Wiggins etc. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 18-07-2012 13:59
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Kessiakoff so much faster then Sörensen, looked like he was standing still |
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:00
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Taaramae has got the restitution of a little girl.. If there was a high mountain 1-day race he would be right up there.. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:00
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Voeckler is amazing.. Virenque, Jalabert.. He is slowly becoming a rider who you can easily put into the category of these legends..
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:01
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
I think it's only because they ride in their own country...Do they really ride like this elsewhere ? don't think so..
Did you see Voeckler's win at the Brabantse Pijl?
I'm talking in general...and i do not like Voeckler. Riders don't like him but most of the crowd likes him...weird
I couldn't care less who the riders like or not. Many of them like Armstrong, mind you.
Because a lot of fans like attacking riders. Not wheelsuckers like Wiggins etc.
For most of this Tour Nibali, Evans and others have wheel-sucked Wiggins too.... and it's bit different when you use your team to set pace and follow their wheels 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:02
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SweatyViking wrote:
Taaramae has got the restitution of a little girl.. If there was a high mountain 1-day race he would be right up there..
man has raced last time at march..after that mono virus and broken elbow right after that. Man is out of shape..easy. he did last..last year tour |
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| CapzLock |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:03
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Roman wrote:
Voeckler is amazing.. Virenque, Jalabert.. He is slowly becoming a rider who you can easily put into the category of these legends..
Must be a similarity between them... |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:03
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Alakagom wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
I think it's only because they ride in their own country...Do they really ride like this elsewhere ? don't think so..
Did you see Voeckler's win at the Brabantse Pijl?
I'm talking in general...and i do not like Voeckler. Riders don't like him but most of the crowd likes him...weird
I couldn't care less who the riders like or not. Many of them like Armstrong, mind you.
Because a lot of fans like attacking riders. Not wheelsuckers like Wiggins etc.
For most of this Tour Nibali, Evans and others have wheel-sucked Wiggins too.... and it's bit different when you use your team to set pace and follow their wheels
Have you been watching? Nibali wheelsucking in this race?  |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:05
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
I think it's only because they ride in their own country...Do they really ride like this elsewhere ? don't think so..
Did you see Voeckler's win at the Brabantse Pijl?
I'm talking in general...and i do not like Voeckler. Riders don't like him but most of the crowd likes him...weird
I couldn't care less who the riders like or not. Many of them like Armstrong, mind you.
Because a lot of fans like attacking riders. Not wheelsuckers like Wiggins etc.
For most of this Tour Nibali, Evans and others have wheel-sucked Wiggins too.... and it's bit different when you use your team to set pace and follow their wheels
Have you been watching? Nibali wheelsucking in this race?
Well, yes he did wheel suck Wiggins quite a lot. He attacked a lot too though. It's not like Wiggins is wheel-sucking other oppoents for his gain. He's using his team only and that's a tactic, it's other who try to wheel suck him and able to keep up with him and Froome.
First MTF, did Nibali attack at all ? No. What did he do ? Follow Wiggins wheel all the time until he couldn't keep it up
Edited by Alakagom on 18-07-2012 14:06
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| Tjoertszc |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:05
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gotlandrules wrote:
Kessiakoff so much faster then Sörensen, looked like he was standing still
After Aubisque I reckon Sørensen gave up on the KoM since he would not stand a chance anymore. So no surprise to see him not going for the points anymore. |
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| CapzLock |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:06
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
I think it's only because they ride in their own country...Do they really ride like this elsewhere ? don't think so..
Did you see Voeckler's win at the Brabantse Pijl?
I'm talking in general...and i do not like Voeckler. Riders don't like him but most of the crowd likes him...weird
I couldn't care less who the riders like or not. Many of them like Armstrong, mind you.
Because a lot of fans like attacking riders. Not wheelsuckers like Wiggins etc.
For most of this Tour Nibali, Evans and others have wheel-sucked Wiggins too.... and it's bit different when you use your team to set pace and follow their wheels
Have you been watching? Nibali wheelsucking in this race?
At least these guys can win Tours. Which french could right now? no one. Maybe Pinot in 5 years but right now no one. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:08
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Alakagom wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
kumazan wrote:
CapzLock wrote:
I think it's only because they ride in their own country...Do they really ride like this elsewhere ? don't think so..
Did you see Voeckler's win at the Brabantse Pijl?
I'm talking in general...and i do not like Voeckler. Riders don't like him but most of the crowd likes him...weird
I couldn't care less who the riders like or not. Many of them like Armstrong, mind you.
Because a lot of fans like attacking riders. Not wheelsuckers like Wiggins etc.
For most of this Tour Nibali, Evans and others have wheel-sucked Wiggins too.... and it's bit different when you use your team to set pace and follow their wheels
Have you been watching? Nibali wheelsucking in this race?
Well, yes he did wheel suck Wiggins quite a lot. He attacked a lot too though. It's not like Wiggins is wheel-sucking other oppoents for his gain. He's using his team only and that's a tactic, it's other who try to wheel suck him and able to keep up with him and Froome.
First MTF, did Nibali attack at all ? No. What did he do ? Follow Wiggins wheel all the time until he couldn't keep it up
I'm not only talking about this race in terms of wheelsucking. Why would you attack when u have yellow jersey and time trial ahead? Wiggins has always been a wheelsucker its just his style, it may be effective but not attractive for fans. Thats why fans like attacking riders like Voeckler, Contador, Andy Schleck, Nibali, Gilbert and so on instead of Wiggins, Kloeden, Basso etc. |
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| Likkivi |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:11
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Officially the worst TdF ever. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:13
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Likkivi wrote:
Officially the worst TdF ever.
What did u expect? putting Tourmalet with 120km to go is a blatant waste of a brilliant climb by A.S.O. No one gonna go for it with 120km to go. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:13
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
I'm not only talking about this race in terms of wheelsucking. Why would you attack when u have yellow jersey and time trial ahead? Wiggins has always been a wheelsucker its just his style, it may be effective but not attractive for fans. Thats why fans like attacking riders like Voeckler, Contador, Andy Schleck, Nibali, Gilbert and so on instead of Wiggins, Kloeden, Basso etc.
Surely, I think almost all fans prefer attacking riding, myself too.
It's that I can't really call Wiggins a wheel-sucker who wheel-sucks the shit out of other riders. As he doesn't.
Perfect example of wheel-sucking was shown by Mr.Valverde or Levi at Mende in Paris Nice following Wiggins :
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Begins about 1:30
Wiggins when runs out of domestiques will take control and set tempo - others will follow him. Wiggins doesn't have very good acceleration and so can't attack effectively and so follows this effective method for him, but one he doesn't really wheel-suck the shit out of his opponents
Edited by Alakagom on 18-07-2012 14:14
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:16
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
I'm not only talking about this race in terms of wheelsucking. Why would you attack when u have yellow jersey and time trial ahead? Wiggins has always been a wheelsucker its just his style, it may be effective but not attractive for fans. Thats why fans like attacking riders like Voeckler, Contador, Andy Schleck, Nibali, Gilbert and so on instead of Wiggins, Kloeden, Basso etc.
what has Basso done wrong..man just can not atack. He has non acceleration..diesel type climber. But has himself pulled and destroyed a field several times.. |
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| brownwm |
Posted on 18-07-2012 14:17
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Alakagom wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
I'm not only talking about this race in terms of wheelsucking. Why would you attack when u have yellow jersey and time trial ahead? Wiggins has always been a wheelsucker its just his style, it may be effective but not attractive for fans. Thats why fans like attacking riders like Voeckler, Contador, Andy Schleck, Nibali, Gilbert and so on instead of Wiggins, Kloeden, Basso etc.
Surely, I think almost all fans prefer attacking riding, myself too.
It's that I can't really call Wiggins a wheel-sucker who wheel-sucks the shit out of other riders. As he doesn't.
Perfect example of wheel-sucking was shown by Mr.Valverde or Levi at Mende in Paris Nice following Wiggins :
Spoiler
Begins about 1:30
Wiggins when runs out of domestiques will take control and set tempo - others will follow him. Wiggins doesn't have very good acceleration and so can't attack effectively and so follows this effective method for him, but one he doesn't really wheel-suck the shit out of his opponents
However at no point during this tour has Wiggins pushed the paced in the mountains. He just hides behind Froome until he is dropped, then Froome has to wait for him. Just like in the Vuelta where Froome would have won if he didn't carry Wiggins up every climb. Contador used to win the mountain stages not just sit next to his rivals.
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