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Wednesday, July 4 - Tour de France, Stage 4: Abbeville - Rouen, 214.5km
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| Wilier |
Posted on 04-07-2012 21:52
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:05
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Well I'm just saying that Danny Pate would not have crashed, because he would have been on the front working instead of hiding uselessly in the pack. And he would have been a team mate for Cav and Wiggins, not just Cav, because he can climb with the best of them as well as motor on the flats, while Sivtsov is only good for the climbs (and even there he is no better than Danny Pate).
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:09
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Bushwackers wrote:
Well I'm just saying that Danny Pate would not have crashed, because he would have been on the front working instead of hiding uselessly in the pack. And he would have been a team mate for Cav and Wiggins, not just Cav, because he can climb with the best of them as well as motor on the flats, while Sivtsov is only good for the climbs (and even there he is no better than Danny Pate).
Clearly bollocks. What would have been the point of riding on the front? It all came back together anyway. And Pate doesn't have an inexhaustible amount of energy, he can't be on the front for Cav and Wiggins all the time. Plus Sivtsov rode on the front for Cav with HTC a hell of a lot and did well and in fact does climb a lot better than Pate. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:13
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Bushwackers wrote:
Well I'm just saying that Danny Pate would not have crashed, because he would have been on the front working instead of hiding uselessly in the pack. And he would have been a team mate for Cav and Wiggins, not just Cav, because he can climb with the best of them as well as motor on the flats, while Sivtsov is only good for the climbs (and even there he is no better than Danny Pate).
Clearly bollocks. What would have been the point of riding on the front? It all came back together anyway. And Pate doesn't have an inexhaustible amount of energy, he can't be on the front for Cav and Wiggins all the time. Plus Sivtsov rode on the front for Cav with HTC a hell of a lot and did well and in fact does climb a lot better than Pate.
DANNY PATE IS TOO AWESOME FOR LOGIC
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:14
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issoisso wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Bushwackers wrote:
Well I'm just saying that Danny Pate would not have crashed, because he would have been on the front working instead of hiding uselessly in the pack. And he would have been a team mate for Cav and Wiggins, not just Cav, because he can climb with the best of them as well as motor on the flats, while Sivtsov is only good for the climbs (and even there he is no better than Danny Pate).
Clearly bollocks. What would have been the point of riding on the front? It all came back together anyway. And Pate doesn't have an inexhaustible amount of energy, he can't be on the front for Cav and Wiggins all the time. Plus Sivtsov rode on the front for Cav with HTC a hell of a lot and did well and in fact does climb a lot better than Pate.
DANNY PATE IS TOO AWESOME FOR LOGIC
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:18
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Clearly bollocks. What would have been the point of riding on the front? It all came back together anyway. And Pate doesn't have an inexhaustible amount of energy, he can't be on the front for Cav and Wiggins all the time. Plus Sivtsov rode on the front for Cav with HTC a hell of a lot and did well and in fact does climb a lot better than Pate.
Well he pretty much does have an inexhaustible source of energy, if you saw him at the Tour last year 
But you can't really compare Sivstov's work with Danny Pate's, because Danny Pate was on the front pretty much for the entire Tour last year, while Sivstov just helps out here and there. And if he truly was better than Danny Pate at climbing, then why don't his results show it? Danny has GT mountain top finish podiums. I'm looking at Sivstov's results and they are meager bottom of the top-10 in stage races, with no particular stand out performances.
I'm not bashing Sivstov, of course he's a great team mate that any team would be lucky to have, I'm just saying that Danny would have been a better choice, as shown by Sky's performances.
Edit: Of course I'm joking about the infinite energy thing
Also, what's the difference between working for Wiggins half the race and Cavendish half the race (this year), and working for Cavendish the entire race (last year)?
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| evilhumer |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:22
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Please tell me you are joking about Danny Pate being a better climber than Sivtsov? |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:23
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I'm going by results and reality, not PCM stats here 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:24
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As long as Siutsou has a broken leg, I have to agree he is
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:25
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Bushwackers wrote:
I'm going by results and reality, not PCM stats here
Ah yes, who could forgot the time that Danny Pate finished 9th overall in last year's Giro.
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| evilhumer |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:25
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Sivtsov was 10th in the giro last year...He is clearly a better climber than Pate |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:28
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Taaramäe aboy crash today:
I heard just how Cavendish was blaming Farrar about crash, but she curses every day for anyone. Yesterday he fell and then shouted to Cherel. Stuff to know, the stars have never been convicted of anything |
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:29
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I've explained countless times why he doesn't have the GC results (he has always been forced to work for someone else) so I'm not going to address that again, but he has shown his abilities in the mountains with podiums in huge mountain stages, while Sivtsov simply has not. He's good at holding on for dear life and getting an average placing.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:30
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Getting this back on topic of Tour de France, and not a madman's fantasies about a rider who is not in the race.
Guido Mukk wrote:
Taaramäe aboy crash today:
I heard just how Cavendish was blaming Farrar about crash, but she curses every day for anyone. Yesterday he fell and then shouted to Cherel. Stuff to know, the stars have never been convicted of anything
Is that Taaramae hinting that he blames Cavendish then?
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:30
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
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Why Moncoutie in the break on a day like today? :/
French teams need TV exposure, cause they are not going to get anything else from this race 
They could've sent someone else. Moncoutié needs to save himself for the mountains.
They talked with Taaramäe yesterday..that 12 years he has been riding tour..two stage wins ..never atacked on flat stages.
Interesting sayed Moncoutie
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:31
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Taaramäe aboy crash today:
I heard just how Cavendish was blaming Farrar about crash, but she curses every day for anyone. Yesterday he fell and then shouted to Cherel. Stuff to know, the stars have never been convicted of anything
Cavendish always blame everybody else..
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:31
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Getting this back on topic of Tour de France, and not a madman's fantasies about a rider who is not in the race.
Guido Mukk wrote:
Taaramäe aboy crash today:
I heard just how Cavendish was blaming Farrar about crash, but she curses every day for anyone. Yesterday he fell and then shouted to Cherel. Stuff to know, the stars have never been convicted of anything
Is that Taaramae hinting that he blames Cavendish then?
nope..he is always screaming and blaming others first and using hard core words
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:33
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Guido Mukk wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Getting this back on topic of Tour de France, and not a madman's fantasies about a rider who is not in the race.
Guido Mukk wrote:
Taaramäe aboy crash today:
I heard just how Cavendish was blaming Farrar about crash, but she curses every day for anyone. Yesterday he fell and then shouted to Cherel. Stuff to know, the stars have never been convicted of anything
Is that Taaramae hinting that he blames Cavendish then?
nope..he is always screaming and blaming others first and using hard core words
Sadly we have gotten use to it.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:33
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Biathlon wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Taaramäe aboy crash today:
I heard just how Cavendish was blaming Farrar about crash, but she curses every day for anyone. Yesterday he fell and then shouted to Cherel. Stuff to know, the stars have never been convicted of anything
Cavendish always blame everybody else..
man has over 20 tour stage wins..ofcorse he can say what he likes |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 04-07-2012 23:35
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Bushwackers wrote:
I've explained countless times why he doesn't have the GC results (he has always been forced to work for someone else) so I'm not going to address that again, but he has shown his abilities in the mountains with podiums in huge mountain stages, while Sivtsov simply has not. He's good at holding on for dear life and getting an average placing.
Then why can he not atleast push the pace on the climbs for his leader, ever...?
You must remember that atleast half of his mountain results are from the breakaway.....
And Sivstov definitely has proven he is a good climber. Stop being bitter that he was chosen over Pate. They are different riders, and better for their team in different ways. Wiggins has a real shot at winning the Tour, Sky isn't going to pass that up and climbing support for Wiggins is more useful than teammates for Cav, because Cav has shown he can sprint without a train, and still win.
And tbh, Stannard and a few other riders still probably would have been picked over Pate.
Edited by valverde321 on 04-07-2012 23:38
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