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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-06-2012 14:48
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Roman wrote:
Vien wrote:
Shocked to see Contador staying, I really expected him to go to Movistar.
This. It seems like that Liquigas - Saxo merge rumour could have some legs.
Vien wrote:
Big question now is: Where will the Schlecks go to? Surely they don't want to stay with JB?
Well, I really don't know. This year's RadioShack team is so weird, that I think they should and they will leave. But where should they go? Who can pay so much money for them and maybe Cancellara and some other guys like Voigt as well.. I don't see a team like that..
I think there was a rumour about Frändy going to Astana if they couldn't get Nibbles. I'd like that, but can't see it happening.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 14:49
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Sky's Lineup for the British NC Road Race:
Cavendish
Dowsett
Froome
L.Rowe
Hunt
P.Kennaugh
Stannard
Swift
Thomas
The race itself is at Ampleforth, near York, so I may go as it's only an hour away. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 08-06-2012 14:49
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Heine wrote:
Ah, that explains it. Too bad for Riis then. Is there any riders out of contract, that would be possible for him to sign AND would give them a good amount of WT points?
I honestly don't think he has the money for that. Together with Gilbert, Contador is probably the highest waged rider.
Also, people, i used a '?' after my 3  .
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| Dizzle |
Posted on 08-06-2012 15:04
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But in the end, the 2 year rule is invalid. Riis already said he will take it to CAS, as the rule violates the WADA Code. Apparently, UCI has a meeting next week regarding this rule aswell.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 15:45
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jph27 wrote:
Sky's Lineup for the British NC Road Race:
Cavendish
Dowsett
Froome
L.Rowe
Hunt
P.Kennaugh
Stannard
Swift
Thomas
The race itself is at Ampleforth, near York, so I may go as it's only an hour away.
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 16:00
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Dizzle wrote:
But in the end, the 2 year rule is invalid. Riis already said he will take it to CAS, as the rule violates the WADA Code. Apparently, UCI has a meeting next week regarding this rule aswell.
I hope they keep the rule, nobody wants (ex)-dopers in the World Tour.
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| ltt |
Posted on 08-06-2012 16:15
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felix_29 wrote:
Dizzle wrote:
But in the end, the 2 year rule is invalid. Riis already said he will take it to CAS, as the rule violates the WADA Code. Apparently, UCI has a meeting next week regarding this rule aswell.
I hope they keep the rule, nobody wants (ex)-dopers in the World Tour.
Nobody wants dopers in cycling full stop, but i cannot see how they can keep this rule. With the current (stupid) UCI points format you're punishing the teams as much as the riders with this rule, and I'm sure that Riis will make that argument to CAS and add something to do with restraint of trade or something similar.
After CAS threw out the British Olympic Associations bylaw about not letting convicted dopers compete at Olympics, which only punished those convicted, can't see CAS not overturning this rule which potentially punishes 25+ other athletes. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 08-06-2012 16:24
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It's a bizarre law - if you don't want them back, ban them for longer.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 16:26
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Cheat = Lifetime Ban = Simple Solution |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 08-06-2012 16:48
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sutty68 wrote:
Cheat = Lifetime Ban = Simple Solution
Let's get to the point where we actually catch dopers before we worry about that.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-06-2012 16:54
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Interesting.
That means Contador specifically chose Riis for his training plans.
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-06-2012 21:09
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sutty68 wrote:
Cheat = Lifetime Ban = Simple Solution
I don't think it's that black & white
cheaters <-> no cheaters  |
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| jsh312mufc |
Posted on 08-06-2012 21:15
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sutty68 wrote:
Cheat = Lifetime Ban = Simple Solution
Think about the people like David Millar who made mistakes at one point of their lives and are now completely against that. There have to be second chances |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-06-2012 21:46
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jsh312mufc wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Cheat = Lifetime Ban = Simple Solution
Think about the people like David Millar who made mistakes at one point of their lives and are now completely against that. There have to be second chances
He confessed he took it like three times, gave back two of his three most significant wins...
Did he give the money back ? Unsure.
Did he get a full 2 years suspension ? Negative.
Can we trust him when he said he only took it three times ? Doubtful.
Had he done it again since then ? We can't be sure.
Would cycling have disappeared had Millar been banned for life ? No, definitely no.
Is Millar a nice chap ? Not always, though he generally is.
Has he made money for his story ? I reckon he has (through his book).
It's not like not giving him a second chance would destroy his life, there are plenty of other jobs out there, and he could still be almost perfectly free outside professional sport.
I'm not making it a personal Millar case (although I don't trust him 100 %), but not giving second chances in cycling, when there's been a deliberate cheating would make room for new faces. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 08-06-2012 22:07
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Aquarius wrote:
jsh312mufc wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Cheat = Lifetime Ban = Simple Solution
Think about the people like David Millar who made mistakes at one point of their lives and are now completely against that. There have to be second chances
He confessed he took it like three times, gave back two of his three most significant wins...
Did he give the money back ? Unsure.
Did he get a full 2 years suspension ? Negative.
Can we trust him when he said he only took it three times ? Doubtful.
Had he done it again since then ? We can't be sure.
Would cycling have disappeared had Millar been banned for life ? No, definitely no.
Is Millar a nice chap ? Not always, though he generally is.
Has he made money for his story ? I reckon he has (through his book).
It's not like not giving him a second chance would destroy his life, there are plenty of other jobs out there, and he could still be almost perfectly free outside professional sport.
I'm not making it a personal Millar case (although I don't trust him 100 %), but not giving second chances in cycling, when there's been a deliberate cheating would make room for new faces.
He doesn't break the omerta either. And it's unbelievable how much money he lost/hid/wasted, cos he was earning shitloads and he still had to enter into a deal with the tax authorities.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-06-2012 22:33
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Any predictions for Sky's team for Tour de France? It seems to me that they have a lot options, mainly because of what to focus on - Cavendish og Wiggins?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2012 08:06
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Riis123 wrote:
Any predictions for Sky's team for Tour de France? It seems to me that they have a lot options, mainly because of what to focus on - Cavendish og Wiggins?
I think they'll focus on both riders and pretty much dominate the entire race, but they may blow their legs that way.
I think they hope they can ride for Cav first, and that another team controls the mountains, unless Wiggins would be in yellow.
But I don't think they'd send Cav or Wiggins just for fun, they'll both be wanting results. |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 09-06-2012 08:10
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Wiggins
Cavendish
EBH
Porte
Rogers
Siutsou
Froome
Flecha
Thomas (?)
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-06-2012 08:11
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Must say I'm surprised to see Contador continue - especially with such a long contract. It's unusual for Riis to sign contracts that go beyond the sponsorship deals, so either he has changed his stance on this, or Saxo Bank has promised to stay as long as Contador is there (which would make sense).
Points rule? All experts tend to think that if Riis challenges the rule, he will win. If Contador wins the Vuelta, I suppose the team is pretty secure of getting a WT-license.
Problem solved - but Riis has to go to CAS asap, otherwise there might not be a verdict until after 2013. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2012 08:18
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I've got to say I'm not all that surprised.
Both Saxo Bank and Contador kept being positive about each other, Contador had all the support of them.
So it's pretty logical he signs with them, imo. |
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