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| jt1109 |
Posted on 11-01-2012 14:04
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fickman wrote:
Contador do drugs thats why he was so good. Dont forget the Operación Puerto where he was detected as a client of Fuentes.
Got a feeling that is a biased opinion judgeing by you Avater remember Frank Schleck was seen to have payed Money to some doctor(think it was Fuentes) during that investigation does that mean he did drugs too? |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 11-01-2012 14:10
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Me thinks that Contador is going to walk away with no charge at all, which will be totally wrong for the sport of cycling 
I doubt banning the best cyclist of the new century for having 0,000something in blood would be much better for the sport, but that is only my personal opinion.
When the legal limit is 0 then yes. It would be a bad thing for the sport to allow the world's best cyclist to break the rules when no one else is allowed to.
Important for me is, if this 0,000something actually increased his performance in some way, do somebody knows actual advantage gained from that amount of clen....?
There is no advantage gained form that amount if that is all that he took. Let's say that he took more than that in the off season while training in order to make himself leaner (which is what Clenbuterol does in larger amounts). What if, during the off season he also had blood transfused, and there were trace amounts of Clenbuterol in this blood? If he pumps this back into his body then the trace amounts are there. That would show that:
1) He used a banned substance
2) He had a blood transfusion
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| fickman |
Posted on 11-01-2012 14:15
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jt1109 wrote:
fickman wrote:
Contador do drugs thats why he was so good. Dont forget the Operación Puerto where he was detected as a client of Fuentes.
Got a feeling that is a biased opinion judgeing by you Avater remember Frank Schleck was seen to have payed Money to some doctor(think it was Fuentes) during that investigation does that mean he did drugs too?
Im a fun of clean sport Im sorry if my avatar gave u a worng opinion. I prefer a cyclist that always come in 2, 3 or 4 place as a cyclist that always win and is involve in too many drugs rumors.
I was fan from contador but since the Operacion Puerto not. I didnt read about Frank and Fuentes but if i find he was involve in the case then i would be dispointed.
My avatar is from Andy not from Frank. |
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 11-01-2012 14:28
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fickman wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
fickman wrote:
Contador do drugs thats why he was so good. Dont forget the Operación Puerto where he was detected as a client of Fuentes.
Got a feeling that is a biased opinion judgeing by you Avater remember Frank Schleck was seen to have payed Money to some doctor(think it was Fuentes) during that investigation does that mean he did drugs too?
Im a fun of clean sport Im sorry if my avatar gave u a worng opinion. I prefer a cyclist that always come in 2, 3 or 4 place as a cyclist that always win and is involve in too many drugs rumors.
I was fan from contador but since the Operacion Puerto not. I didnt read about Frank and Fuentes but if i find he was involve in the case then i would be dispointed.
My avatar is from Andy not from Frank.
Oh sorry it's with the Radio Trek signature as well and i'm sure Frank was caught up in the Operation Puerto here's a link
https://www.bikera...erto-18761
He paid 7000 euros to Fuentas but anyway back on topic.
Veulta Route is Announced
https://www.cyclin...unced.html
Week one
Saturday 18 August. Stage one: Pamplona - Pamplona, team time trial 14.2 km. Flat.
Sunday 19 August. Stage 2: Pamplona - Viana 140 km. Flat.
Monday 20 August. Stage 3. Oion - Arrate (Eibar). 153km. Summit finish.
Tuesday 21 August. Stage 4: Baracaldo - Valdezcaray. 155.4 km. Summit finish.
Wednesday 22 August. Stage 5: Logroño - Logroño. 172km. Flat.
Thursday 23 August. Stage 6: Tarazona - El Fuerte del Rapitán (Jaca). 174.8km. Uphill finish.
Friday 24 August. Stage 7: Huesca - Motorland (Alcañiz). 140km. Flat.
Saturday 25 August. Stage 8: Lleida - Santuario Canolich (Collada de la Gallina). 175km. Summit finish.
Sunday 26 August. Stage 9. Andorra - Barcelona. 194km. Hilly.
Week two
Monday 27 August. Rest day and Transfer Barcelona - Ponteareas. 1,200 km approx.
Tuesday 28 August. Stage 10: Ponteareas - Sanxenxo. 144.5km. Hilly.
Wednesday 29 August. Stage 11: Cambados - Pontevedra. 42km. Individual time trial. Hilly.
Thursday 30 August. Stage 12: VilagarcÃa - Mirador de Ezaro (A Coruña). 184.5km. Steep uphill finish.
Friday 31 August. Stage 12: Santiago de Compostela - Ferrol. 172.7km. Flat.
Saturday 1 September. Stage 14: Palas de Rei - Los Ancares. 152km. Summit finish.
Sunday 2 September. Stage 15: La Robla - Lagos de Covadonga. 186.7km. Summit finish
Monday 3 September. Stage 16: Gijón - Cuitu Negro. 185km. Summit finish.
Week three
Tuesday 4 September. Rest day
Wednesday 5 September. Stage 17: Santander - Fuente Dé. 177km. Uphill finish.
Thursday 6 September. Stage 18: Aguilar de Campoo - Valladolid. 186.4km. Flat.
Friday 7 September. Stage 19: Peñafiel - La Lastrilla.169km. Flat.
Saturday 8 September. Stage 20: La Faisanera Golf - Bola del Mundo. 169.5km. Summit finish.
Sunday 9 September. Stage 21: Cercedilla - Madrid. 111km. Flat. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 11-01-2012 14:33
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The new Vuelta route is already mentioned in the race routes thread.
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_473946
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 11-01-2012 14:44
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| fickman |
Posted on 11-01-2012 14:46
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jt1109 wrote:
fickman wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
fickman wrote:
Contador do drugs thats why he was so good. Dont forget the Operación Puerto where he was detected as a client of Fuentes.
Got a feeling that is a biased opinion judgeing by you Avater remember Frank Schleck was seen to have payed Money to some doctor(think it was Fuentes) during that investigation does that mean he did drugs too?
Im a fun of clean sport Im sorry if my avatar gave u a worng opinion. I prefer a cyclist that always come in 2, 3 or 4 place as a cyclist that always win and is involve in too many drugs rumors.
I was fan from contador but since the Operacion Puerto not. I didnt read about Frank and Fuentes but if i find he was involve in the case then i would be dispointed.
My avatar is from Andy not from Frank.
Oh sorry it's with the Radio Trek signature as well and i'm sure Frank was caught up in the Operation Puerto here's a link
https://www.bikera...erto-18761
He paid 7000 euros to Fuentas but anyway back on topic.
Yes u were right. But i think im still going to keep my sgnature since i love it and frank is only in the background.   |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 11-01-2012 16:16
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Garmin-Cervélo becomes Garmin-Barracuda
Edited by Alakagom on 11-01-2012 16:45
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 11-01-2012 16:37
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I thought that was a fish?
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 11-01-2012 16:40
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Funny name. |
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| siwi |
Posted on 11-01-2012 16:47
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Alakagom wrote:
Garmin-Cervélo becomes Garmin-Barracuda
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 11-01-2012 17:11
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fickman wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
fickman wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
fickman wrote:
Contador do drugs thats why he was so good. Dont forget the Operación Puerto where he was detected as a client of Fuentes.
Got a feeling that is a biased opinion judgeing by you Avater remember Frank Schleck was seen to have payed Money to some doctor(think it was Fuentes) during that investigation does that mean he did drugs too?
Im a fun of clean sport Im sorry if my avatar gave u a worng opinion. I prefer a cyclist that always come in 2, 3 or 4 place as a cyclist that always win and is involve in too many drugs rumors.
I was fan from contador but since the Operacion Puerto not. I didnt read about Frank and Fuentes but if i find he was involve in the case then i would be dispointed.
My avatar is from Andy not from Frank.
Oh sorry it's with the Radio Trek signature as well and i'm sure Frank was caught up in the Operation Puerto here's a link
https://www.bikera...erto-18761
He paid 7000 euros to Fuentas but anyway back on topic.
Yes u were right. But i think im still going to keep my sgnature since i love it and frank is only in the background.
By the threat that i might sound biased:
Lets not forget that Schleck was never a: tested positive and b: never convicted of doping.
In the official, by the Wada and UCI accepted statement, he admitted to paying, but he also said that he never received treatment.
And yes, this is very biased now, but it also contains some reasonable doubt:
The money was transferred in March, opercaion Puerto was handled in may. If you consider how many clients Fuentes had, it could well be possible that tnere was a two month waiting period with pre payment... And as far as I remember, the letters FS only appeared once in Fuentes books...
Not that I want to kick loose another argument about that... After all this was 5, almost 6 years ago...
Dont get me wrong, I am a fan of luxembourgish cycling but the schlecks dont have the best stand with me anymore since the merger with Bruneel.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 11-01-2012 17:11
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Appearently there's a rumor that Marianna Vos wants to cycle in the mens divison. |
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 11-01-2012 17:13
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cactus-jack wrote:
Appearently there's a rumor that Marianna Vos wants to cycle in the mens divison.
Yes, however, they are in talks with the UCI if it would be possible. And it would only be for her to gain experience, not to "win"
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-01-2012 17:14
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Miggi et al: Don't go off-topic.
Cactus: Yes, and UCI already said that it's impossible / against the regulations. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 11-01-2012 17:18
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I don't understand why there would even be tlks about something like that. I haven't read the rules, but I suppose they clearly state that a woman can't race with the men and vice versa.
Maybe Cavendish could try to sprint against the women? Or Andy climb against them?  |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-01-2012 17:30
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CrueTrue wrote:
... and Acqua & Sapone say they might withdraw from the sport.
If they really wanted that Giro invite, they should have invested more (not less) and ensured a World Tour spot
So, should an Italian sponsor step up their investment to send their team to meaningless races such as the TDU, Beijing and the likes, just to ride what is their main focus of the season? No, just no, and it shows how stupid the existence of the WT is.
On AC, I told y'all he'll walk away free, and you didn't believe me. My gut feeling is becoming more and more likely as time goes by. 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-01-2012 18:34
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kumazan wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
... and Acqua & Sapone say they might withdraw from the sport.
If they really wanted that Giro invite, they should have invested more (not less) and ensured a World Tour spot
So, should an Italian sponsor step up their investment to send their team to meaningless races such as the TDU, Beijing and the likes, just to ride what is their main focus of the season? No, just no, and it shows how stupid the existence of the WT is.
What I meant is that the teams (and hopefully also the sponsors) knew the rules ahead of this season, so if Acqua really wanted that Giro invite they could have invested and got the auto invite. They chose not to, understandably, and thus also had to live with the insecureness. |
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 12-01-2012 00:14
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Right so it's ok for Valverde to be banned for conspiracy to dope, but not Contador.
Even if he has a smal amount of Clenbuterol, surely that counts as conspiracy to dope.
Great for the future win a few TDF title, prove your best around you can do want you want then, pathetic, same punishment as Valverde should be handed out, completely unfair if he gets of scot freee.
Abit like refereeing in football, the bans are becoming inconsistent.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-01-2012 07:13
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You don't seem to understand how clenbuterol works, do you ?
You take it some day (during one or two weeks, something like that), your muscles start growing and strengthening. That'll last for months, if not more. But clenbuterol will have vanished from your body, say one week after you last took it.
That's why even if it's only a small amount that has been found, he should be banned.
It's some absolutely biased logic to say only a small amount has been found, so he only took or eat very little of it, and would have gained almost no performance from it. |
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