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Tour de France '10 Stage 11 - Sisteron - Bourg-lès-Valence
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| LoStaffan |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:36
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yeah, let them ride over cobbles as hell and answer for every bad hurt accident: well, that's cycling ... but punish everyone hard, who was trying to cross a sprint line for tactic purposes
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:38
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ok...it was still 50-50 decision..I was expecting more middle ground decision for current situation..
shure we dont need high speed crashes..but kicked out for tour 5 min after stage..this is something different |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:39
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Guido Mukk wrote:
ok...it was still 50-50 decision..I was expecting more middle ground decision for current situation..
shure we dont need high speed crashes..but kicked out for tour 5 min after stage..this is something different
It's as if the decision was made before hearing all points of view.
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| jack888 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:42
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Its impossible to make a well informed decision in a few minutes, if they have actually got rid of him and shut the case, it would be very unprofessional. |
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| Dacana |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:45
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you wont need to hear any points of view, you can see with your own eyes what was done wrong.
The headbanging is one thing, but he did to much wrong imo, esp. when he looked back, saw Ferrar comming up, then closed him in, when he went left to the fance. |
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| Jaap90 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:47
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Fränk Schleck said: "ASO make Tour dangerous." They don't/ The riders do it by theirselves like today.
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| untal |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:48
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Waghlon wrote:
untal wrote:
The difference between those penaltys shouldn't be THAT big.
Two different crimes: Post-stage fight that both walked away from versus dangerous act during the stage that had effect on the result and could have resulted in a crash with serious injuries.
There were dangerous acts between Barredo and Costa during the stage too, but I understand that it's difficult to prove.
Anyway, I agree with you. And maybe the Renshaw's punishment is fair. But if it's fair, the fine that Barredo and Costa had is not enough. Two different crimes, I know and I agree, but, at least, that fight should be punished harder. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:49
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Dacana wrote:
you wont need to hear any points of view, you can see with your own eyes what was done wrong.
The headbanging is one thing, but he did to much wrong imo, esp. when he looked back, saw Ferrar comming up, then closed him in, when he went left to the fance.
Sorry, but yes you do need points of view, you need to review the evidence looking from Deans side, and Renshaws side.
And then make an informed decision.
Saying just minutes after the finish is not an informed decision.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-07-2010 17:52
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untal wrote:
There were dangerous acts between Barredo and Costa during the stage too, but I understand that it's difficult to prove.
Anyway, I agree with you. And maybe the Renshaw's punishment is fair. But if it's fair, the fine that Barredo and Costa had is not enough. Two different crimes, I know and I agree, but, at least, that fight should be punished harder.
I will admit i didn't see what caused the fight so there might be something worth throwing penalties around for there. But the fight alone was not that bad really. Its more an issue between the two of them deserving an average fine and a stern talking to by some people.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-07-2010 18:01
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Jaap90 wrote:
Fränk Schleck said: "ASO make Tour dangerous." They don't/ The riders do it by theirselves like today.
he has a proof ..broken collarbone..because ASO thought it is fun to watch climbers on cobblestones..also stage 2 ..where half a pack just crashed. Dangerous enough for me |
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| Ozzy |
Posted on 15-07-2010 18:03
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Guido Mukk wrote:
he has a proof ..broken collarbone..because ASO thought it is fun to watch climbers on cobblestones..also stage 2 ..where half a pack just crashed. Dangerous enough for me
Alpine and Pyreneean downhills are dangerous as well, should we avoid riding through mountains then? |
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| pangare |
Posted on 15-07-2010 18:08
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pangare wrote:
Cav.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-07-2010 18:15
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Ozzy wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
he has a proof ..broken collarbone..because ASO thought it is fun to watch climbers on cobblestones..also stage 2 ..where half a pack just crashed. Dangerous enough for me
Alpine and Pyreneean downhills are dangerous as well, should we avoid riding through mountains then? I agree. Back in the 80's the Tour used to have mini Paris-Roubaix stages very regularly. And as Greg LeMond posted on his blog, by the time he got his first TDF win (or had his first TDF participation), he had already ridden Paris-Roubaix three times, plus many cobbles races in Belgium.
If Schleck thinks it's all about mountains he should just take cobbles easy and focus on the polka dots jersey.
Also, his brother got a time advantage on that particular stage, thanks to Cancellara, is he complaining about that too ? We'll see what the final GC is like, but imagine Andy wins with a margin lesser than what he got over Contador on that stage. What'd Frank say ? |
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| Andro |
Posted on 15-07-2010 18:21
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Aquarius wrote:
Ozzy wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
he has a proof ..broken collarbone..because ASO thought it is fun to watch climbers on cobblestones..also stage 2 ..where half a pack just crashed. Dangerous enough for me
Alpine and Pyreneean downhills are dangerous as well, should we avoid riding through mountains then? I agree. Back in the 80's the Tour used to have mini Paris-Roubaix stages very regularly. And as Greg LeMond posted on his blog, by the time he got his first TDF win (or had his first TDF participation), he had already ridden Paris-Roubaix three times, plus many cobbles races in Belgium.
If Schleck thinks it's all about mountains he should just take cobbles easy and focus on the polka dots jersey.
Also, his brother got a time advantage on that particular stage, thanks to Cancellara, is he complaining about that too ? We'll see what the final GC is like, but imagine Andy wins with a margin lesser than what he got over Contador on that stage. What'd Frank say ?
Also, knowing Fränk Schleck, if there weren't any cobbles, he would just find somewhere else to crash. He crashes all the time in all terrains. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 18:33
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 15-07-2010 18:59
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Cav actually seems like a nice guy to me and he handled that very well, I thought. Still nonsence. |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 15-07-2010 19:00
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One question: did or did not Renshaw put the physical well-being of others in danger with a deliberately dangerous move?
If you say he did and add in the headbutts, the decision was the right one.
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| Kami |
Posted on 15-07-2010 19:13
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p3druh wrote:
One question: did or did not Renshaw put the physical well-being of others in danger with a deliberately dangerous move?
If you say he did and add in the headbutts, the decision was the right one.
Yep, quite clear actually. He just tried to make the gap small for Farrar that if he would pass, he would have fallen.
[British accent] No, he did not. [/British accent]
Edit: Kicked out of the race might be hard, but if you indeed add the heatbutts, it's a logical result. Renshaw has also done things like Dean did himself to get Cavendish in position ...
Edited by Kami on 15-07-2010 19:14
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 15-07-2010 19:17
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Kami wrote:
[British accent] No, he did not. [/British accent]
Edited by SportingNonsense on 15-07-2010 19:17
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| Polti |
Posted on 15-07-2010 19:19
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p3druh wrote:
One question: did or did not Renshaw put the physical well-being of others in danger with a deliberately dangerous move?
If you say he did and add in the headbutts, the decision was the right one.
you are damn right!
and btw. why holding the disqualification back? you just have to look the sprint from different angles, which I'm sure they did, and the case is proven clear. There is not much space for interpretations. If you ask Dean, Renshaw or Cav about it you know in advance what they are about to say. So either you fine Renshaw or if you think it is worth it, you throw him out. |
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