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| Deadpool |
Posted on 19-07-2010 00:24
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jolly_antunes wrote:
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There is no other team I can say that about.
You shall be dead when the BBox fans read this.
Good point.
There is, excepting Bouygues, no other team I can say that about.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-07-2010 06:12
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There uses to be doping in sports ever since... there's sport.
But before EPO was introduced among top riders, their doping didn't affect their performances that much. A clean rider would still be able to deal with an average rider that'd be doped.
When EPO was introduced that wasn't possible any more. Heavy riders could climb with pure climbers. Performances increased dramatically. Thus, LeMond relative performances totally decreased : winner of the TDF 1990, 7th in 1991, nowhere near the top before he abandoned in 1992. His absolute performances were very comparable through those years (I admit I didn't see the data from 1992, and he didn't have an optimal preparation that year).
That shows that, doped or not doped, LeMond wasn't using the magical EPO that could change a donkey into a racing horse.
You wanna know what EPO does : a very average team mate, barely good enough to be a pro, took loads of it. What did he achieve ? He became the most powerful guy ever on a mountain when he won the Tour de France 1996... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 19-07-2010 07:35
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Deadpool wrote:
Goldberger wrote:
You shouldn't get into an argument with the LeMond fanboys.
LeMond won the tour when their was no doping, they doped in the 1970`s and 1990`s and through the rest of the sporting history, but when when LeMond competed their was no doping 
Actually, I detest Lemond as a human being and as you should know I am one of the most pessimistic people on this forum when it comes to the widespread use of doping in cycling now and in the past. That said, all evidence, looking at the numbers, the people, and testimonies of the people involved in La Vie Claire makes it clear to me that that team was entirely clean.
There is no other team I can say that about.
I don't think anyone really likes LeMond. He's too self-invested for that.
But Lance fanboys like Goldberger are like that. The classic case of the bandwagoner.
There's something in their need to feel superior that makes them always be "fans" of whoever is the best at the moment, and they react very badly to any suggestion that their idols may not be all they're cracked up to be.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 19-07-2010 08:00
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Deadpool wrote:
jolly_antunes wrote:
Deadpool wrote:
There is no other team I can say that about.
You shall be dead when the BBox fans read this.
Good point.
There is, excepting Bouygues, no other team I can say that about. You mean the team that had Florencio, that signed Beloki, and who had Rous in 2000 (or 2001 ?) who was more powerful than Armstrong in the last flat ITT of the TDF but finished like one minute behind him only because of a worst Cx ?
Sometimes I don't get what French teams do with older riders, and that goes for Bouygues as well as Cofidis, FDJeux, etc.
Edited by Aquarius on 19-07-2010 08:01
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| Crommy |
Posted on 20-07-2010 10:47
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Posted on 20-07-2010 22:51
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Bahati Foundation has folded 
knew it was coming, but still... |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 21-07-2010 11:37
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The vuelta has an ASO style website now. But thats not the news.
Remember stage 1 was a night time TTT. Well the time has been released
The TTT starts at 22:04 local
last team starts at 23:28 local
Thats crazy!
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Posted on 21-07-2010 12:22
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doddy13 wrote:
The vuelta has an ASO style website now. But thats not the news.
Remember stage 1 was a night time TTT. Well the time has been released
The TTT starts at 22:04 local
last team starts at 23:28 local
Thats crazy!
Well it is because they are making it possible for teams to get bicycle lamp sponser now, a whole new marked for all the bicycle manufactures. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-07-2010 19:32
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I'll tell you more later (I need to shower, cook and have dinner first, but you don't care, do you ?  ), but you should know that wattages in the Massif Central and Pyrénées have been quite high on the TDF, and that if the race had developed the same way as in the Armtrong years (strong tempo down the last mountain, then 100% till the summit), the power outputs would be around 450 W, more or less like a couple of years ago.
'told you the Alpes weren't that conclusive... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2010 20:07
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doddy13 wrote:
The vuelta has an ASO style website now. But thats not the news.
Remember stage 1 was a night time TTT. Well the time has been released
The TTT starts at 22:04 local
last team starts at 23:28 local
Thats crazy!
Spanish people have dinner very very late.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-07-2010 21:26
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Here we go, all credits to www.cyclismag.com and Frédéric Portoleau, who did the calculations and wrote the original article :
On the Tour, Watts are getting high
Exiting the Alps -where no extraordinary performance took place-, the pace highered in the Tour mountains : Contador's climb in Mende, seven riders above 430 W and Riblon's breakaway in Bonascre. Let's analyse the power outputs.
By Frédéric Portoleau (thanks to him - and to www.cyclismag.com )
MASSIF CENTRAL
Stage #12 : Bourg de Péage - Mende
Contador and Joaquim Rodriguez managed 484 relative Watts, climbing the Croix Neuve. With a time of 9'33" on 3,1 km, they made it to the top 11 seconds faster than Andy Schleck and Samuel Sanchez. After a pacey stage, 49 km during the first hour, Contador attacked with one km left to the summit of the climb. He closed the gap to Rodriguez, and then went past Vinokourov just before the summit. The Khazaki had been leading the field through a breakaway. Rodriguez sprinted to the stage victory.
Contador won this stage twice during Paris-Nice 2007 and 2010. He improved by 7 seconds his Paris-Nice 2007 performance. During the course au Soleil, the stage finish is located on the mountain top. A bigger effort can be maintained whilst climbing. In 2005, during the Tour de France, Armstrong, Basso, Ullrich and Evans climbed in the same time as Contador this year. The record still belongs to the Pantani, Indurain, Riis trio, with a pretty awesome time of 8'40 in 1995. With his light body, Contador gets an advantage on such important slopes of more than 10 %, contrary to those weighing more than 70 kg. With an estimated weight of 78 kg, and a 9 kg bike, Indurain would have managed more than 600 W in 1995. The Spanish is, according to our calculations, the most powerful rider ever for mostly aerobic efforts.
The shortness (less than 10 minutes) of the effort explains a part of its much higher power output, compared to what can be observed in the Alps or the Pyérénées. Despite being helped by his low weight, it's not worth getting happy with Contador's performance. The stage was long and pacey, fatigue should have showed up. For comparison purposes, during the Giro 2009, Menchov Sastre, Di Luca, Pellizotti and Garzelli managed 520 W during 5'54" on the San Luca in Bologne.
Recorded times, and calculated power outputs :
PYRENEES
Stage #14 : Revel - Ax les Thermes
The first Pyrenean stage went up the dready Port de Pailhères (15,55 km at 7,82%) before ending up the Plateau de Bonascre, 1 380 m above sea level.
The stage was impacted by the long breakaway of Frenchman Christophe Riblon. He resisted to the favourites coming back in the last mountain. He secured a tiny margin of 54 seconds over Menchov. Riblon managed to climb excellently the Plateau de Bonascre, with an average power output of 394 W during 25'52". He maintained that level despite using a lot of energy in the first part of the stage. His performance is as good as Virenque reaching Morzine through the Col de la Ramaz in 2003, or up the Mont Ventoux in 2002. At 29, he never looked that strong in the mountains. His potential could be briefly spotted during the last Dauphiné, when he conceded only 1'18" to Contador and Brajkovic up the Alpe d'Huez. Riblon did better than Tötschnig who won that stage the same way in 2005, but with an average of 380 Watts at the Plateau de Bonascre.
Behind him, the favourites peloton climbed the Port de Pailhères at an average of 377 Watts (48'10" ). The best time held on (44'16" in 2005).
The favourites decided to take that one easy, waiting for more opportunities on the last mountain.
Vinokourov set an extremely fast pace down Bonascre : 460 Watts during 11 minutes. Then Contador attempted twice to drop his main rival Andy Schleck. He didn't manage to. From then on, the race intensity declined, with an average of 417 Watts for Menchov on the second half of the climb. Menchov and Sanchez benefited from the Luxemburg and the Spanish men marking each other tightly, to re-gain a couple of seconds over the both of them. Seven riders above 430 Watts for a 24 minutes effort : the overall level seems high for that stage.
Without the track rider sequence, when they almost stopped, everything tends to suggest that Contador and Schleck were able to manage more than 450 Watts on the whole climb. Laiseka's record (23'05" in 2001) could have been beat, and Frenchman Riblon wouldn't have gotten the stage victory.
After an intense way through the Alps, with no awesome performances, we're now into the Pyrénées. The race tactic, a pacey first half of the Tour into an important heat, form peaks planned for the Pyrénées, do these elements explain the Alps performances ? Whatever, Contador's climb in Mende, seven riders above 430 W and Riblon's breakaway in Bonascre tend to show the trend could invert before the Tour ends.
Time recorded, and calculated power outputs :
Edited by Aquarius on 21-07-2010 22:13
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Posted on 21-07-2010 22:05
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According to Ivano Fanini, Visconti might have used a motorized bike in the Italian RR championship.
https://sport.repubblica.it/news/sport...ti/3811116
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Posted on 22-07-2010 09:18
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A lawyer representing Lance Armstrong's former teammate Tyler Hamilton confirmed that he is in discussions with federal prosecutors investigating possible doping and fraud charges against Armstrong and cycling team officials.
Chris Manderson told ESPN.com that he is trying to "work out ground rules and arrange a situation where Hamilton can speak confidentially and give them the information they need."
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Posted on 22-07-2010 09:44
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-07-2010 09:55
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Hamilton ? One more jealous loser who never had the talent to win it clean like Lance did. Don't believe him people, he's just in need of some cash. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 22-07-2010 10:10
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and this was enough to kick him out from Qinghai Lake tour.
We can expect now "I love Ivan Stevic" wave |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 22-07-2010 10:15
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Question is why he was there in the first place. He received a life-time ban from cycling a while ago. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-07-2010 10:16
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CrueTrue wrote:
Question is why he was there in the first place. He received a life-time ban from cycling a while ago. Just in Italy I read.
He also claimed that wasn't aimed at the organisers, and that he is sorry about the misunderstood.
It certainly was aimed at CONI, which doesn't make it any more acceptable... |
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Posted on 22-07-2010 12:25
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The ban is not official yet. Sort of like what Valverde was going through, but he's far less important
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
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Posted on 22-07-2010 12:44
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Aquarius wrote:
Hamilton ? One more jealous loser who never had the talent to win it clean like Lance did. Don't believe him people, he's just in need of some cash.
And who gets absolutely nothing in the way of money or attention by testifying in a closed Grand Jury investigation whose indictment will be sealed. |
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