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Vuelta a España 2011
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| kumazan |
Posted on 07-09-2011 19:46
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issoisso wrote:
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Sure, the fields this year are far cleaner (as evidenced by the Schlecks and Contador being a lot slower up the mountains), but still Froome is suspicious
Really? Contador didn't look 'slow' at the Giro. And Cobo's time in the Angliru was about as fast as Contador's (I think I read he was faster in the last, tougher 6km, not sure of this).
What has happened in 2011 for the fields to be 'far cleaner' than in 2010, aside from maybe some UCI list topscorers (*cough*Menchov*cough*) being scared? We've seen, imo, a cleaner TDF (thanks AFLD), but the rest of the year? Wouldn't bet a cent on it.
Go digging through my posts. I posted the climbing powers compared to previous years. The most interesting part is that while Contador and Schleck were much slower (especially the Schlecks), Evans was at the exact same level as 2007, 2008, etc.
Evans is probably clean. Incredible, no?
Have you posted such data for the Giro too?
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| McNiel |
Posted on 07-09-2011 19:46
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ruben wrote:
A shame the organisers can't get the idiots running at the side of the road to let the riders through. A constant pain in the ass about all mountain stages everywhere btw...spectators running a muck... seriously people, if you want to watch a mountain stage on a mountain, RESPECT THE RIDERS :!:
This!
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 07-09-2011 19:48
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Froome really has come out of nowhere the only thing i can think of that has happenend to him is he had some sort of illness(somebody will know what it is) dunno maybe he lost some weight from that or something i'm really clutching at sraws from where this massive growth spurts come from? |
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| marble |
Posted on 07-09-2011 19:48
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Just throwing this out there. If Froome and Wiggins are both at their best in next years TdF, do you think Sky will ride for both or will they have the guts to tell Wiggins to help Froome out? |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 07-09-2011 19:52
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I hope as well that Mollema gets on the podium. but why did they take el vivero? The climb up la Reineta is 3.7 to 4 km (with narrow roads) with average of 10% within the same distance of biblao. would have given way more spectacle.
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-09-2011 20:06
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It's a weird course design anyway. They finally go to Basque country again and then there's no serious hilly stage like you see in Vuelta Pais Vasco.
They could've done better |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 07-09-2011 20:15
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ruben wrote:
It's a weird course design anyway. They finally go to Basque country again and then there's no serious hilly stage like you see in Vuelta Pais Vasco.
They could've done better
For political and economical reasons, they had to host the finishes in Bilbao and, especially, Vitoria. It's hardly possible to have a better route considering that.
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-09-2011 23:42
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Yeah but having no real 3rd week mountain or time trial tests is weird (except Pena Cabarga) |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 07-09-2011 23:47
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Yeah, you would think a TT in Bilbao would be suitable
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-09-2011 08:03
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I am sick of this Vuelta and all the people cheering for riders who are suddenly at least on 200% of their standarts. This years Tour gave me hope and this Vuelta stole it right back.
It is like athlete who runs 100m for 10.30. whole season and then bang- 9.60. in august. Some people like to be fooled again and again.
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| Trout80 |
Posted on 08-09-2011 11:22
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ruben wrote:
Yeah but having no real 3rd week mountain or time trial tests is weird (except Pena Cabarga)
Yep, it is a bit lame last week comparing to earlier weeks. But still it has been hard enough for finding best riders. |
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| facmanpob |
Posted on 08-09-2011 12:38
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I thought I'd do a quick analysis of the time gains and losses between Wiggins and Mollema over the past few weeks, to see if this can inform us as to whether Mollema can overtake Wiggins in the next few days.
The pair have finished with the same time on 9 stages out of 17 raced so far. This leaves 8 stages in which there have been time differences.
Stage 1 (TTT) - Mollema gains 12 seconds
Stage 5 (Valdepenas de Jaen) - Mollema gains 13 seconds
Stage 8 (San Lorenzo) - Mollema gains 11 seconds and an 8 second time bonus
Stage 9 (La Covatilla) - Mollema gains 3 seconds and a 12 second time bonus
Stage 10 (ITT) - Mollema loses 1 minute 47 seconds
Stage 12 (Pontevedra) - Mollema gains 4 seconds
Stage 15 (Angliru) - Mollema loses 14 seconds
Stage 17 (Pena Cabarga) - Mollema gains 18 seconds and 8 seconds time bonus
So ignoring the TTTand ITT, and ignoring the time bonuses, Mollema has gained a total of 47 seconds on the road over Wiggins. Adding back the time trials, this changes to 48 seconds in favour of Wiggins. Mollema gained time in 5 road stages and the TTT, and lost time in 1 road stage and the ITT. Only 1 of the stages was a flat stage with splits in the peloton, namely Stage 12 into Pontevedra.
So it can be seen that Mollema has consistently taken small chunks of time on the uphill finishes, with the exception of the Angliru, but without a signifiant uphill finish between now and the finish in Madrid, and with Sky potentially trying to be all over the intermediate sprints in a bid to gain time for Froome, I personally think it will be difficult, although certainly not impossible for Mollema to overhaul Wiggins. He may have to try for a daredevil descent into Bilbao, as we all know that Wiggins is pretty crap at going downhill!
Draw from this what you will!
It must be noted that this does not take into account rounding errors when calculating overall time (e.g. if you look at yesterday's stage, Mollema is listed as +21, Wiggins at +39, an 18 second difference, + 8 seconds for the time bonus to Mollema gives us a change in the time gap between the two of 26 seconds. However, the time gap between the two on GC changed from 50 seconds to 25 seconds between the 2 stages, only a 25 second stage!) |
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 08-09-2011 12:47
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ruben wrote:
It's a weird course design anyway. They finally go to Basque country again and then there's no serious hilly stage like you see in Vuelta Pais Vasco.
They could've done better
Totally agree with you. The third week is laim.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 08-09-2011 13:04
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Big break today with Rodriguez, Kiserlovski, Luis Leon Sanchez, Haussler, Geniez, Paulinho, Montaguti as the big names in there. It has nearly 10 minutes of advance, so Kiserlovski is the virtual leader. |
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| ember |
Posted on 08-09-2011 13:12
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FreitasPCM wrote:
It has nearly 10 minutes of advance, so Kiserlovski is the virtual leader.
Not yet, he's 17 minutes down in the GC. Very interesting break though, and wonder if Sky will try something midstage, as the profile is quite tough. Though, I can't see them get any gap to Cobo there, but if you don't try, you won't win. |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 08-09-2011 13:15
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ember wrote:
FreitasPCM wrote:
It has nearly 10 minutes of advance, so Kiserlovski is the virtual leader.
Not yet, he's 17 minutes down in the GC.
Just reported what was on the live coverage of the Vuelta website. Wonder if they're going to let them go...
Edited by FreitasPCM on 08-09-2011 13:16
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| owks |
Posted on 08-09-2011 15:37
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Poels and Roche wants to gain some time. |
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| titleist82 |
Posted on 08-09-2011 15:53
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have you got any working live streaming link? thanks |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 08-09-2011 15:54
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https://sports-liv...l/ch-5.php
sports-livez.com and cyclingfans.com have streams for (almost) any races that is broadcasted live.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-09-2011 16:03
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mb2612 wrote:
Yeah, you would think a TT in Madrid would be suitable
Fixed. There's no need to have a criterium instead of a proper last stage. It works for the Tour, but, frankly, Madrid is not Paris and la Castellana is not the Champs-Élysées. An ITT would be much better in all senses, imo, to show Madrid and to have good racing.
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