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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:15
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mrlol wrote:
but, you are wrong in saying it is dutchies only. in the last two page of this topic it included at least a belgian and a brit as well.
Only the dutch are saying it decided the result. The others are simply saying it happened and it shouldn't happen. Which is what I've been saying.
mrlol wrote:
It is - me for - a proven fact the Spanish help eachother, as do Italians (I said that before as well). Don't say this is bullshit, they've obviously proven it today with Cobo being the best example.
It's a fact. Don't deny it happends, and don't say it's stupid. You're doing exactly the same with Boom.
Go back and read my posts again. Now, show me where I said it didn't happen. Good luck finding the post (small hint: I never said anything like it)
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:21
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hey there..mrlol stay focused and objective...
It is Vuelta what you expect? that they pushing and Cobo helping Gesink?
Once they canceled Giro stage results..because people pushed italian riders all the way. Years later same stage.. they keep telling in radio ..people please dont.
Valverde today was pushing away people hands..or at least looked this way.
I remember Di Luca at 2008 Giro almost keeping himself close to people..maybe someone will push me..
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| mrlol |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:23
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issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
but, you are wrong in saying it is dutchies only. in the last two page of this topic it included at least a belgian and a brit as well.
Only the dutch are saying it decided the result. The others are simply saying it happened and it shouldn't happen. Which is what I've been saying.
Seriously - if they are helping Valverde, and you admint that, how can you say it did not affect the result? That like saying the supported should be allowed to push you every once in a while, and you should be allowed to hold a bidon for two seconds wil the DS hits the throttle.
Sorry, but this it just plain stupid.
issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
It is - me for - a proven fact the Spanish help eachother, as do Italians (I said that before as well). Don't say this is bullshit, they've obviously proven it today with Cobo being the best example.
It's a fact. Don't deny it happends, and don't say it's stupid. You're doing exactly the same with Boom.
Go back and read my posts again. Now, show me where I said it didn't happen. Good luck finding the post (small hint: I never said anything like it)
Then why are you making such a problem about it?
edit: Then what is this?
issoisso wrote:
Wilier wrote:
Well, Spaniards are known to help each other, even when they´re riding for different teams.
"Spaniards"? Really?
2 words: Lars Boom.
Now can we please stop with the stupid nationalistic generalizations that are not only wrong, but also insulting? (I'm not even from any of the countries named and I'm insulted by the stupidity)
They are not wrong - you just said that youself.
Edited by mrlol on 13-09-2009 20:26
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:28
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mrlol wrote:
Seriously - if they are helping Valverde, and you admint that, how can you say it did not affect the result? That like saying the supported should be allowed to push you every once in a while, and you should be allowed to hold a bidon for two seconds wil the DS hits the throttle.
Sorry, but this it just plain stupid.
Two taps on his backside. Each of them for about half a second (yes, I went back and watched the replay just to count it). That's it. Valverde gestured at them violently to stop it and they stopped. And after that, Valverde continued to lose time.
It simply did not have an effect on the result.
issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
It is - me for - a proven fact the Spanish help eachother, as do Italians (I said that before as well). Don't say this is bullshit, they've obviously proven it today with Cobo being the best example.
It's a fact. Don't deny it happends, and don't say it's stupid. You're doing exactly the same with Boom.
Go back and read my posts again. Now, show me where I said it didn't happen. Good luck finding the post (small hint: I never said anything like it)
Then why are you making such a problem about it?[/quote]
What? 
Do you have multiple personality disorder? You dutch are the ones making a huge deal about it. I pointed out something entirely different: the double standard.
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| Arnout |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:31
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mrlol wrote:
Arnout wrote:
mrlol wrote:
Damn these Spaniards and their attitude of 'If I don't win, another Spaniard will, but no way that dutchie wins'. (Same goes for italians).
Mosquera, Sanchez and Valverde all stick to Gesinks wheel, when Valv is dropped, first Mosquera keeps sitting on Gesinks wheel(had he been from any other country he'd have started to help gesink for his own gc too) while Sanchez stays with Valverde. Then as the gap gaets too big, Sanchez obviously has to go back tot he groupe for his own GC, so then Cobo takes over. By then the steep section is over and Valverde is on his best terrain again... great.
Not deserved 4 seconds he took on Gesink in the end. bah!
Sanchez has difficulties with the steep sections and rides on his own pace for this whole Vuelta. Besides, it would be a bit stupid if you're only 1.30 behind the leader and after he cracks gonna help that same leader.
He was looking back a little too much for my liking...
Maybe to see if Valverde could work together with him. But thinking that Sanchez would help Valverde is the opposite of naive (don't have the English for that right now  ). In every interview, even after yesterday, he is saying that he still wants to battle for the top position. And by helping Valverde you'll never achieve that. And if indeed he helped, it is very nice to ride away slowly from the man you're helping after 500 meters of pulling. That'll give the guy a great morale.
No, he didn't help. Sanchez chooses to go with his own pace, and by coincidence Valverde was in his wheel. Not for long though.
Only Cobo may have helped, but he didn't gain much time with that short relay. After all there was no significant wind and uphill pulling is nowhere near as effective as on the flat, especially not on this steep sections.
And after all Cobo needs a new team.
Oh and by the way I am a Dutchman as well as you might know, and I was also cheering and jumping before my telly, but you shouldn't spoil the pleasure you get from the ride by Gesink by thinking about conspiracies 
Edited by Arnout on 13-09-2009 20:32
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| mrlol |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:32
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issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
Seriously - if they are helping Valverde, and you admint that, how can you say it did not affect the result? That like saying the supported should be allowed to push you every once in a while, and you should be allowed to hold a bidon for two seconds wil the DS hits the throttle.
Sorry, but this it just plain stupid.
Two taps on his backside. Each of them for about half a second (yes, I went back and watched the replay just to count it). That's it. Valverde gestured at them violently to stop it and they stopped. And after that, Valverde continued to lose time.
It simply did not have an effect on the result.
I was talking about Cobo helping him having an impact on the result. The pushing was not the main item, but a comparison.
mrlol wrote:
issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
It is - me for - a proven fact the Spanish help eachother, as do Italians (I said that before as well). Don't say this is bullshit, they've obviously proven it today with Cobo being the best example.
It's a fact. Don't deny it happends, and don't say it's stupid. You're doing exactly the same with Boom.
Go back and read my posts again. Now, show me where I said it didn't happen. Good luck finding the post (small hint: I never said anything like it)
Then why are you making such a problem about it?
What?
Do you have multiple personality disorder? You dutch are the ones making a huge deal about it. I pointed out something entirely different: the double standard.[/quote]
Then what is this:
Now can we please stop with the stupid nationalistic generalizations that are not only wrong, but also insulting? (I'm not even from any of the countries named and I'm insulted by the stupidity)
and this:
If Valverde and Gesink had switched places these guys wouldn't have said a thing.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:36
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Okay children. Jump into the time machine.
*whoooooooooooosh*
Back when Bos pushed someone off a bike clearly and the dutch denied it!
Im sorry but Isso is right. And i cant even be arsed to have a favorite to cheer on in the Vuelta.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:36
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mrlol wrote:
I was talking about Cobo helping him having an impact on the result. The pushing was not the main item, but a comparison.
So does this mean you're also going to flame Mosquera for pulling at the front of the Gesink group?
mrlol wrote:
Then what is this:
Now can we please stop with the stupid nationalistic generalizations that are not only wrong, but also insulting? (I'm not even from any of the countries named and I'm insulted by the stupidity)
and this:
If Valverde and Gesink had switched places these guys wouldn't have said a thing.
Now they're going to flame me, but I honestly don't care anymore. See ya.
It's that you people keep saying "oh it's the spanish it's the spanish", etc. but when the situation is reversed you're silent like mice
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| Wyman |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:37
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To be honest i agree with Isso, in terms of advantage... he did gain a race changing advantage from it.....
Also with the Cobo relaying thing... it was for like 20 secs max... the next camera shot it came to Valverde had distanced him by quite a bit and they'd only gone around a corner...
Oh and Waghlon... you know Cunego is your favourite xD
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:37
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So was Cobo supposed to just sit on Valverde's wheel having caught up with him - doesnt sound very productive for Cobo. And besides, Valverde dropped Cobo after about 5/10 seconds.
As frustrating as it is, Valverde was able to rejoin Gesink on his own merit.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:41
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My vote on this poll go's to isso..mrlol can be objective on this question..Ok Cobo helped him..for few seconds..then people tryed to push or tap Valverde..
But Mosquera and Sami helping Valverde is riddiculous ..has Basso with Liquigas helped Gesink do drop Valverde.. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:41
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Wyman wrote:
Oh and Waghlon... you know Cunego is your favourite xD
Yes he is
I pick my favorites based on how cool they are, not on their success
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:41
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although i don't like the way the spanish completely ignore valverdes doping and i know they and the spanish teams would rather a spaniard won than a foreigner but the pushing was so small it was almost irrelevant
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| mrlol |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:42
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issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
I was talking about Cobo helping him having an impact on the result. The pushing was not the main item, but a comparison.
So does this mean you're also going to flame Mosquera for pulling at the front of the Gesink group?
Your still talking around the point I was making...
issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
Then what is this:
Now can we please stop with the stupid nationalistic generalizations that are not only wrong, but also insulting? (I'm not even from any of the countries named and I'm insulted by the stupidity)
and this:
If Valverde and Gesink had switched places these guys wouldn't have said a thing.
Now they're going to flame me, but I honestly don't care anymore. See ya.
It's that you people keep saying "oh it's the spanish it's the spanish", etc. but when the situation is reversed you're silent like mice
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Posted on 13-09-2009 20:43
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Waghlon wrote:
Wyman wrote:
Oh and Waghlon... you know Cunego is your favourite xD
Yes he is
I pick my favorites based on how cool they are, not on their success
Haha i knew you were a closet fan
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:46
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Waghlon wrote:
Wyman wrote:
Oh and Waghlon... you know Cunego is your favourite xD
Yes he is
I pick my favorites based on how cool they are, not on their success
Dont blame Wyman for that he's and Cunego relationship go's way back.. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:47
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His legs are so dreamy...
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| issoisso |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:49
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mrlol wrote:
Your still talking around the point I was making...
Perhaps I should do like you and just cherry pick what I'm going to answer to and ignore the rest like it isn't even there. Shall I do that, then?
issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
Then what is this:
Now can we please stop with the stupid nationalistic generalizations that are not only wrong, but also insulting? (I'm not even from any of the countries named and I'm insulted by the stupidity)
and this:
If Valverde and Gesink had switched places these guys wouldn't have said a thing.
Now they're going to flame me, but I honestly don't care anymore. See ya.
It's that you people keep saying "oh it's the spanish it's the spanish", etc. but when the situation is reversed you're silent like mice
... which you illustrate by saying this.[/quote]
That makes absolutely no sense.
Oh well.
I'll come back to this topic tomorrow or whatever. You've proven quite a lot of times you can't be objective when dutchmen are involved larsie.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 13-09-2009 20:50
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Waghlon wrote:
His legs are so dreamy...
absolutely..when Wyman looked Cunego wet-shiny legs on that final climb today..he absolutely freezed. You can check this..he did not post any comment back then..and probably recorded again. Am I right?! |
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Posted on 13-09-2009 20:50
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Waghlon wrote:
His legs are so dreamy...
Actually I have proff that this is background on your computer:
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