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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-06-2014 20:53
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valverde321 wrote:
[quote]dark_x2012 wrote:
valverde, as avin said a while ago, stop making a fool of yourself.
1.USA could do anything only against the weak Spain squad this year. And from these teams only Costa Rica fully deserved its spot in the top16.
2.Nothing wrong but the point here was Serbia has more class in its squad.
3.This was the first year CONCACAF does well in the worlds and the reason up to now was that it was called a WORLD Cup.
4.A team does not consist of one player so USA can't really cry too much(especially as there hasn't been a major changein the class of the substitution), unlike Ghana or Portugal for example. And about attendance I'll say that most of the fans on the pitch were there mainly because of a sort of patriotism. If you could find statistics about the TV ratings of the Qualifications, you'd see almost nobody in the US gives a f**k about 'soccer'.
4. Admir's argument was that the USA came up against teams with injury problems. Dempsey's nose was broken, Besler had injury problems. Those are two of USA's key players, so the injury excuse really cant be used. [quote]
Don't forget Altidore has been out the whole time.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 26-06-2014 20:56
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I am happy that the USA got through  |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:02
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Admir, how could Valverde be nationalistically bias towards the USA? That literally makes no sense.
admirschleck wrote:
Did I watch the same games as you, or you are just being nationalistically (not right word, more like continentaly) biased?
Not sure if it's the right word, but he's, as a Canadian, definitely more connected to USA than to Serbia, so that makes him a bit biased, too. He showed that few times in this thread, already.
valverde321 wrote:
Plus according to Admir, you aren't allowed to watch your team on TV because then you aren't an actual fan so we probably shouldn't care about that 
I never said that Valverde, stop modifying words/sentences and therefore totally changing their meaning.
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:03
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1.I am not sure that if Croatia got a draw against Brazil they wouldn't advance except of Mexico but a dumbass ref.
2.Serbia's two problems were:
-Lack of young players;
-Bad manager.
Otherwise they're very good as a team and you can see that in past matches(not many changes since than).
3.But does one or two good teams mean all of these should be there. I dare say teams like Honduras, Iran, Cameroon and so on shouldn't be given spots for way better teams like:
Denmark, Serbia, Turkey, Poland, etc.
4.OK I admit I was harsh judging the injury shit, but you can't deny that they had a lot of luck in the group. Also, they really must thank Pepe for being such an idiot and ruining Portugal's chances yet in the first match.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:05
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I agree with all of your points, Dark, except the one that Serbia lacks young players. Actually, that was true, until maybe 2-3 years ago. We're now, as I already said, in some kind of "reconstruction" where bunch of new world-class talents are appearing and some oldies are retiring (such as Stankovic, Vidic). European U21 title (last year) is enough, I guess.
So, we're finally starting to have some bright future, it seems! 
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| Rin |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:05
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USA are dependant on their team work, Netherlands on Robben thats a difference, USA defends good so please don't think just because Germany draw 2-2 with Ghana that they are a superpower now. They aren't but looked good because Germany defends shit when they lost the ball at the opponents half.
Poland are poor, Turkey even more with Serbia, Ukraine also not good = they don't deserve a place at a World Cup.
Otherwise for European supremacy there are the Euros where those teams you named haven't even qualified for the 2012 Euros (I mean even Ireland had qualified!) or weren't there on merit (hosts) and were knocked out in the group phase (Poland and Ukraine).
Also there are differences between USA and Canada:
Money: US Dollar = $$$ - Canada: Canadian Dollar and plastic money that can't be taken seriously
Army: US Army = you don't want to have a problem with them - Canadian Army = a horse with a helmet
Weather: USA = in summer pretty much everywhere very hot - Canada: T-Shirt weather = 10°C
And at last please don't count countless of young players of any nation as a sign they have a future. Too many of them will be just decent and not the next Messi as they are normally praised nowadays.
Edited by Rin on 26-06-2014 21:09
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:08
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admirschleck wrote:
I agree with all of your points, Dark, except the one that Serbia lacks young players. Actually, that was true, until maybe 2-3 years ago. We're now, as I already said, in some kind of "reconstruction" where bunch of new world-class talents are appearing and some oldies are retiring (such as Stankovic, Vidic). European U21 title (last year) is enough, I guess.
So, we're finally starting to have some bright future, it seems!
I meant the manager didn't give them a chance. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:11
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Rin wrote:
Also there are differences between USA and Canada:
Money: US Dollar = $$$ - Canada: Canadian Dollar and plastic money that can't be taken seriously
Army: US Army = you don't want to have a problem with them - Canadian Army = a horse with a helmet
Weather: USA = in summer pretty much everywhere very hot - Canada: T-Shirt weather = 10°C
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And this tells what? My point was that Valverde would of course support USA over any other country, because they're border and neigbhor countries, just as I supported Bosnia & Croatia, which is absolutely normal.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:13
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admirschleck wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Admir, how could Valverde be nationalistically bias towards the USA? That literally makes no sense.
admirschleck wrote:
Did I watch the same games as you, or you are just being nationalistically (not right word, more like continentaly) biased?
Not sure if it's the right word, but he's, as a Canadian, definitely more connected to USA than to Serbia, so that makes him a bit biased, too. He showed that few times in this thread, already.
valverde321 wrote:
Plus according to Admir, you aren't allowed to watch your team on TV because then you aren't an actual fan so we probably shouldn't care about that
I never said that Valverde, stop modifying words/sentences and therefore totally changing their meaning.
USA and Canada are each others biggest rivals in many sports, and the USA has actually stolen players from Canada in the past. I am a fan of underdogs and I happen to know quite a lot about the USA simply because I have followed a lot of MLS. I also hate Mexico 
At the end of the match, the only stat that actually matters is goals. People forget that all the time.
Rin wrote:
USA are dependant on their team work, Netherlands on Robben thats a difference, USA defends good so please don't think just because Germany draw 2-2 with Ghana that they are a superpower now. They aren't but looked good because Germany defends shit when they lost the ball at the opponents half.
Poland are poor, Turkey even more with Serbia, Ukraine also not good = they don't deserve a place at a World Cup.
Otherwise for European supremacy there are the Euros where those teams you named haven't even qualified for the 2012 Euros (I mean even Ireland had qualified!) or weren't there on merit (hosts) and were knocked out in the group phase (Poland and Ukraine).
Also there are differences between USA and Canada:
Money: US Dollar = $$$ - Canada: Canadian Dollar and plastic money that can't be taken seriously
Army: US Army = you don't want to have a problem with them - Canadian Army = a horse with a helmet
Weather: USA = in summer pretty much everywhere very hot - Canada: T-Shirt weather = 10°C
Yeah but America's money doesn't smell like Maple, therefore Canada > USA
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| Selwink |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:14
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admirschleck wrote:
I agree with all of your points, Dark, except the one that Serbia lacks young players. Actually, that was true, until maybe 2-3 years ago. We're now, as I already said, in some kind of "reconstruction" where bunch of new world-class talents are appearing and some oldies are retiring (such as Stankovic, Vidic). European U21 title (last year) is enough, I guess.
So, we're finally starting to have some bright future, it seems!
Winning a -21 doesn't mean too much actually. If you look at the Dutch team that won in 2007, you'll see only none of them play for the current main team. From 2006 only 2 play for the current team.
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:14
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Entertaining read so far guys.
Just one question, I'm I allowed to cheer for Mexico against the Netherlands? Or is that against fandom rules...
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:15
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Mresuperstar wrote:
Entertaining read so far guys.
Just one question, I'm I allowed to cheer for Mexico against the Netherlands? Or is that against fandom rules...
Obviously, you are not allowed to cheer for Mexico against the Netherlands.
You'd only get disapponted anyway.
(Just kidding, obviously)
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:17
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Mresuperstar wrote:
Entertaining read so far guys.
Just one question, I'm I allowed to cheer for Mexico against the Netherlands? Or is that against fandom rules...
normally I would say yes, that's allowed since you always should cheer against The Netherlands but I'm not really found of Mexico either. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:23
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dark_x2012 wrote:
I meant the manager didn't give them a chance.
Yes, thankfully, the manager that made Serbian U21 squad win European championships is now the manager of our main squad and he's already giving minutes to these youngsters, which is a great sign.
Rin wrote:
And at last please don't count countless of young players of any nation as a sign they have a future. Too many of them will be just decent and not the next Messi as they are normally praised nowadays.
A talent that is Liverpool's main priority and that's going to be paid around 35 million euros + many others from this generation that are going to be beasts in future are not just standard talents, but European U21 winners.
Of course that none of them are most likely going to be next Messi, but if all of them gets to 1/4 of Messi's level, then I am afraid Serbia will have one really competetive team in recent future. Even trying to compare them (their future level) to Messi is going from one extreme to another, really.
Selwink wrote:
Winning a -21 doesn't mean too much actually. If you look at the Dutch team that won in 2007, you'll see only none of them play for the current main team. From 2006 only 2 play for the current team.
True, but most of them simply kept playing in Eredivisie or gone directly to big teams, which are both big mistakes. Unlike them, young Serbians are all around the world, mostly playing in some solid teams that are constantly in Europe and they have great chance of showing themselves there. Case of Real Madrid paying much more for Ljajic than Roma, but he goes with Roma or Chelsea wanted Matic/Markovic 2 years ago, but they gone to Benfica firstly and had some great seasons and games there tells the story.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:26
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admirschleck wrote:
A talent that is Liverpool's main priority and that's going to be paid around 35 million euros + many others from this generation that are going to be beasts in future are not just standard talents, but European U21 winners.
Well, the last time that happened...
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:27
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valverde321 wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
A talent that is Liverpool's main priority and that's going to be paid around 35 million euros + many others from this generation that are going to be beasts in future are not just standard talents, but European U21 winners.
Well, the last time that happened...
Hahaha, that was a good one!
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| Selwink |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:28
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Most players didn't head for big teams. IIRC Zuiverloon signed for West Brom, Castelen for HSV, Maduro for Valencia, all of which seem to be a step up, but not to the absolute top.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:29
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admirschleck wrote:
Of course that none of them are most likely going to be next Messi, but if all of them gets to 1/4 of Messi's level, then I am afraid Serbia will have one really competetive team in recent future. Even trying to compare them (their future level) to Messi is going from one extreme to another, really.
what. that's english regional level. you're seriously overestimating Messi
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:45
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Ouch Defour. Deserved red card. 
Edited by dark_x2012 on 26-06-2014 21:46
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 26-06-2014 21:46
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Red card for Defour, really similar to Valencias red and good on the ref. |
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