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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 26-04-2013 18:05
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ianrussell wrote:
Hmm Marcel Kittel...?
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4:40 p.m. Fri, Apr 26
Is this what it seems or am I missing something? Hope he has some back up if it's what I think it is.
Edit - if I'm not mistaken and he has some basis then good on him of course.
Riders usually have a good idea about what's going on in the peloton. Less so, I guess, when it's a small rider from a small team  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 26-04-2013 18:39
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| Wilier |
Posted on 26-04-2013 18:53
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-04-2013 19:02
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Zoidl is doing really good lately
Van der Lijke as well, btw...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 26-04-2013 19:06
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 26-04-2013 22:00
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CrueTrue wrote:
More fuel to the fire. Am I the only one to be pleasantly surprised at a current rider (Kittel) actually saying something if there is the justification to do so???! |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-04-2013 22:05
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ianrussell wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
More fuel to the fire. Am I the only one to be pleasantly surprised at a current rider (Kittel) actually saying something if there is the justification to do so???!
But is there ?
The guy, who has this as his biggest goal of season and has results that show he is a good climber beats world renowned climbers, the future French Tour de France winner in form of Yoann Bagot by less than 13 seconds?
Of course, there will be suspicion, but this performance is nowhere near in terms of last year's winner utter dominance and is believable.
No wonder few pros are talking about it in such terms, easier to pick out on smaller teams or riders than talking about likes of Sky or others who come with out of world performances. Double standards right there.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 26-04-2013 22:40
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You're thinking it's based purely on the level of the performance - it might not be.
Yes, it depends on whether it's based merely on suspicion, in which case Kittel should keep it to himself (the only thing worse than omerta is mud slinging), or whether there is some genuine insider knowledge.
If it's purely on someone riding better than he personally expected I'd be very disappointed. The lack of explicit details means there either aren't any or Kittel won't say. Double standards if it's the suspicious "that was too good for him" route perhaps not if he knows something in this specific case. Granted maybe he shouldn't say anything without being prepared to go the whole hog and reveal exactly what he knows?
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 26-04-2013 23:44
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Simple fact of the matter is, the only team peeking physically for the tour would be Torku, because its their home race. Fitness plays so much of a part... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 27-04-2013 01:35
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Sayar is still less of a suprise than Chris Froome since vuelta 2011.
I know Sayar is probably doped till hsi ears (not even top 100 in turkey last year), but im just saying...
DOUBLE STANDARDS.
They are all hypocrits, even the squeky clean Kittel and Bol and others are so biased towards their own culture... it's almost racism |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 27-04-2013 09:34
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ruben wrote:
Sayar is still less of a suprise than Chris Froome since vuelta 2011.
Again you're assuming it's a statement based on the assertion "he shouldn't be capable of that". What I'm trying to say is perhaps it's not just about Kittel being surprised by the performace. No public statement about a rider doping should be based purely on that. If that's the case it's wrong. However if there is some concrete information he is aware of that's a very different matter.
That would mean it's less about pointing the finger at the small time riders only and more about highlighting the doping you definitively know to be taking place.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:05
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The question is: Are they that dumb that they dope a rider two year's in a row? |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:20
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I've seen the highlights of the stage, he was impressively strong, but in the final part he seemed to lose pace to Bagot. I don't know what is going on, but I just hope that in a few month's time I won't facepalm about this.
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The question is: Are they that dumb that they dope a rider two year's in a row?
Some even dope 7 years straight. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:31
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
The question is: Are they that dumb that they dope a rider two year's in a row?
Some even dope 7 years straight.
Not that. Gabrovski doped last year with the same team and I doubt it that they would be dumb enough to dope two year's in a row. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:35
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Miguel98 wrote:
FreitasPCM wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
The question is: Are they that dumb that they dope a rider two year's in a row?
Some even dope 7 years straight.
Not that. Gabrovski doped last year with the same team and I doubt it that they would be dumb enough to dope two year's in a row.
Why not? I think a positive never stopped teams from doping. |
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:35
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Im pretty sure that Sayar is on drugs, and hes not the only one. Pretty sure that there are 10-20 riders every year during the tour thats taking something thats not allowed. |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:36
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Miguel98 wrote:
FreitasPCM wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
The question is: Are they that dumb that they dope a rider two year's in a row?
Some even dope 7 years straight.
Not that. Gabrovski doped last year with the same team and I doubt it that they would be dumb enough to dope two year's in a row.
Yeah, I get your point. But this team, I've been looking into its roster of the past 2 years, have signed some doping related riders, like Koev, Bileka, Gabrovski, and I'm not sure if de la Fuente has any connections, even though he rode for Saunier Duval and later, Geox. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:44
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FreitasPCM wrote:
I've seen the highlights of the stage, he was impressively strong, but in the final part he seemed to lose pace to Bagot. I don't know what is going on, but I just hope that in a few month's time I won't facepalm about this.
But you can't base it on performance. I could dope with every possible drug out there, but it wouldn't make me a world class cyclist. A bad rider wouldn't get a superhuman. (Yes, Froome maybe) Doped riders also struggle, even though they are doped. |
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| emre99 |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:55
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I'm turkish and previous year Konya-Toku used doping and they eliminated from race.
Spoiler A torku rider from  win the race.
How a turkish rider can win a race of HC2 category....?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 27-04-2013 10:57
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emre99 wrote:
I'm turkish and previous year Konya-Toku used doping and they eliminated from race.
Spoiler A torku rider from win the race.
What does the category matter? Look at the climber field, it's sucks, there is no outstanding climbers here.
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