admirschleck wrote:
I am sorry if you find my message vulgar, but it's just like it is.
You're born. Man and a woman made you. Your sex was decided by either God or nature, whatever you do believe in. You are a male. You have the penis. It's supposed to go into vagina and it's NOT supposed to go in men asshole. Simple as that. Got it?
Tell me now, how on earth is it normal to be gay? It's not the normal nature circle. I find (most of) gay people the people who wants some attention. You just can't walk in lycra pants, fuck men, make up and pretend to be a man. It's not going like that.
You seem to forget that your sexuality is genetically decided. It's not a choice to be homosexual. If people have been created to like someone of the same sexe, then let them live like they have been created.
Do you have some scientific evidence for this, because i tend to agree with Manx here. Just look how it was sexualy in pre-medieval times and you will see that it is a social construct...
After some research I think I have to agree with you, there's no scientific evidence. I don't think it's a choice though, more something that overcomes you, just like straigjt love.
I'd agree with admirschleck that it most certainly isn't genetically inherited. As I'd agree with Selwink that it is something that overcomes you, a passion. However, I do not think that it is right, and that such passions can be overcome.
Why do you think it's wrong then? It's a natural minority of homosexuals. I'm left-handed, part of a small minority as well. Society is made for right-handed. Should I adapt or should I be tolerated?
I believe that it is wrong, that it is a sin which God condemns as deplorable in the Bible.
If God considers it a sin, why would he even create homosexuality at all?
God did not create homosexuality, it is a sin which man brought into the world when he first sinned against God by wanting to be God.
@ TMM: I thought it was primarily a celebration/call of emancipation: i.e. we are here, we are who we are and we would like to be accepted for who we are.
Edit: By the way, regardless of everyone's opinion and feelings on this topic, the fact that we have been able to discuss it on the last 5 pages, without derailing into a spiral of name-calling and flaming, and attacks on the person, shows something.
We're a community of people from all around the world, all coming from different cultures and values, and we still manage to discuss heated things like this. I feel kind of proud to be here right now.
Edited by ShortsNL on 23-05-2014 12:09
admirschleck wrote:
I am sorry if you find my message vulgar, but it's just like it is.
You're born. Man and a woman made you. Your sex was decided by either God or nature, whatever you do believe in. You are a male. You have the penis. It's supposed to go into vagina and it's NOT supposed to go in men asshole. Simple as that. Got it?
Tell me now, how on earth is it normal to be gay? It's not the normal nature circle. I find (most of) gay people the people who wants some attention. You just can't walk in lycra pants, fuck men, make up and pretend to be a man. It's not going like that.
You seem to forget that your sexuality is genetically decided. It's not a choice to be homosexual. If people have been created to like someone of the same sexe, then let them live like they have been created.
Do you have some scientific evidence for this, because i tend to agree with Manx here. Just look how it was sexualy in pre-medieval times and you will see that it is a social construct...
After some research I think I have to agree with you, there's no scientific evidence. I don't think it's a choice though, more something that overcomes you, just like straigjt love.
I'd agree with admirschleck that it most certainly isn't genetically inherited. As I'd agree with Selwink that it is something that overcomes you, a passion. However, I do not think that it is right, and that such passions can be overcome.
Why do you think it's wrong then? It's a natural minority of homosexuals. I'm left-handed, part of a small minority as well. Society is made for right-handed. Should I adapt or should I be tolerated?
I believe that it is wrong, that it is a sin which God condemns as deplorable in the Bible.
If God considers it a sin, why would he even create homosexuality at all?
God did not create homosexuality, it is a sin which man brought into the world when he first sinned against God by wanting to be God.
Then why wouldn't God interrupt and seemingly tolerate it?
baseballlover312 wrote:
I don't understand gay pride parades at all. Isn't the whole point that we're all equal and nobody's that different? Then why are you having a parade about it? Same goes for all other things like race and stuff. If the point is that it shouldn't matter, why are you making it matter so much?
Why do you Americans have to celebrate Independence Day? Arn't we all people on this wonderful earth?
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
TheManxMissile wrote:
Lot of misunderstanding of what a Gay Pride Parade is. It is not a rally to protest about laws or to show how they are normal. It is a celebration of gay culture and lifestyle (not sex). There is no difference between a gay pride parade and say the Notting Hill Carnival we have in London.
You wish. Reality is something else.
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And cactus, how is it that gays are not allowed to live full life according to law? They have the same laws as we have in majority of civilized countries. Or you think because they are not allowed to be married somewhere? Well, their bad, as marriage is thing between man and woman, so they should go to surgery if they want it.
That is the difference between a Pride Parade and Rights Rally. I've been to gay pride festivals in three different countries and not once have i seen a reference to rights protests at any of them. I have been to a selection of Rights Rallies/Protests (not for Gay rights admittedly) and there is a black&white clear cut difference.
The thing with marriage is that the marital status then affects other parts of the law. In the UK it makes differences for taxes, it's recorded differently in records. It's not about having a ceremony in a Church but about the wide impacts in Law.
I don't know other countries law, but is imagine that the marriage status impacts other areas of the law.
admirschleck wrote:
I am sorry if you find my message vulgar, but it's just like it is.
You're born. Man and a woman made you. Your sex was decided by either God or nature, whatever you do believe in. You are a male. You have the penis. It's supposed to go into vagina and it's NOT supposed to go in men asshole. Simple as that. Got it?
Tell me now, how on earth is it normal to be gay? It's not the normal nature circle. I find (most of) gay people the people who wants some attention. You just can't walk in lycra pants, fuck men, make up and pretend to be a man. It's not going like that.
You seem to forget that your sexuality is genetically decided. It's not a choice to be homosexual. If people have been created to like someone of the same sexe, then let them live like they have been created.
Do you have some scientific evidence for this, because i tend to agree with Manx here. Just look how it was sexualy in pre-medieval times and you will see that it is a social construct...
After some research I think I have to agree with you, there's no scientific evidence. I don't think it's a choice though, more something that overcomes you, just like straigjt love.
I'd agree with admirschleck that it most certainly isn't genetically inherited. As I'd agree with Selwink that it is something that overcomes you, a passion. However, I do not think that it is right, and that such passions can be overcome.
Why do you think it's wrong then? It's a natural minority of homosexuals. I'm left-handed, part of a small minority as well. Society is made for right-handed. Should I adapt or should I be tolerated?
I believe that it is wrong, that it is a sin which God condemns as deplorable in the Bible.
If God considers it a sin, why would he even create homosexuality at all?
God did not create homosexuality, it is a sin which man brought into the world when he first sinned against God by wanting to be God.
Then why wouldn't God interrupt and seemingly tolerate it?
Because if God was to punish us the way our sins deserve everytime we sinned, we would not be able to live another day.
It's His mercy which allows us to continue living. He does not wish to punish the whole human race, and so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to live the perfect life that we never could, and then die the death He didn't deserve, taking the sin of His people onto Himself. The just was punished for the unjust. And so if you trust that Jesus Christ did indeed die for you, and more than that rose from the dead to proclaim His victory over death, then you will have your sins forgiven and go to be with Him in heaven.
However, if you do not choose to follow Christ, one day you will die, and rather than Jesus taking the punishment for your sins, you will be punished for all of your sins, in hell.
I will tell you why God does nothing about Gay people.
Because shit happens, people change, attitudes change.
Llaw should become law and let religion be religion not knit them together making both sides unhappy.
It affects rougly the same areas here, but as it is act between the man and woman, i see no space for discussion here. In many areas you can have a partner or "contact person" for some matters and that is possible for same sexes.
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
I will tell you why God does nothing about Gay people.
Because shit happens, people change, attitudes change.
Llaw should become law and let religion be religion not knit them together making both sides unhappy.
I would tell you why God did nothing in that (an everything other aswell), but i would be call unpolite again.
Neillster wrote:
However, if you do not choose to follow Christ, one day you will die, and rather than Jesus taking the punishment for your sins, you will be punished for all of your sins, in hell.
Bring on the hell, i heard they have some of the best things to fire you up there! Heaven is probably very boring place.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 23-05-2014 12:20
admirschleck wrote:
I am sorry if you find my message vulgar, but it's just like it is.
You're born. Man and a woman made you. Your sex was decided by either God or nature, whatever you do believe in. You are a male. You have the penis. It's supposed to go into vagina and it's NOT supposed to go in men asshole. Simple as that. Got it?
Tell me now, how on earth is it normal to be gay? It's not the normal nature circle. I find (most of) gay people the people who wants some attention. You just can't walk in lycra pants, fuck men, make up and pretend to be a man. It's not going like that.
You seem to forget that your sexuality is genetically decided. It's not a choice to be homosexual. If people have been created to like someone of the same sexe, then let them live like they have been created.
Do you have some scientific evidence for this, because i tend to agree with Manx here. Just look how it was sexualy in pre-medieval times and you will see that it is a social construct...
After some research I think I have to agree with you, there's no scientific evidence. I don't think it's a choice though, more something that overcomes you, just like straigjt love.
I'd agree with admirschleck that it most certainly isn't genetically inherited. As I'd agree with Selwink that it is something that overcomes you, a passion. However, I do not think that it is right, and that such passions can be overcome.
Why do you think it's wrong then? It's a natural minority of homosexuals. I'm left-handed, part of a small minority as well. Society is made for right-handed. Should I adapt or should I be tolerated?
I believe that it is wrong, that it is a sin which God condemns as deplorable in the Bible.
If God considers it a sin, why would he even create homosexuality at all?
God did not create homosexuality, it is a sin which man brought into the world when he first sinned against God by wanting to be God.
Then why wouldn't God interrupt and seemingly tolerate it?
Because if God was to punish us the way our sins deserve everytime we sinned, we would not be able to live another day.
It's His mercy which allows us to continue living. He does not wish to punish the whole human race, and so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to live the perfect life that we never could, and then die the death He didn't deserve, taking the sin of His people onto Himself. The just was punished for the unjust. And so if you trust that Jesus Christ did indeed die for you, and more than that rose from the dead to proclaim His victory over death, then you will have your sins forgiven and go to be with Him in heaven.
However, if you do not choose to follow Christ, one day you will die, and rather than Jesus taking the punishment for your sins, you will be punished for all of your sins, in hell.
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
I will tell you why God does nothing about Gay people.
Because shit happens, people change, attitudes change.
Llaw should become law and let religion be religion not knit them together making both sides unhappy.
Indeed Luis, people do change, and attitudes certainly have changed, and will continue to change. Yet God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And His Word stays the same.
admirschleck wrote:
I am sorry if you find my message vulgar, but it's just like it is.
You're born. Man and a woman made you. Your sex was decided by either God or nature, whatever you do believe in. You are a male. You have the penis. It's supposed to go into vagina and it's NOT supposed to go in men asshole. Simple as that. Got it?
Tell me now, how on earth is it normal to be gay? It's not the normal nature circle. I find (most of) gay people the people who wants some attention. You just can't walk in lycra pants, fuck men, make up and pretend to be a man. It's not going like that.
You seem to forget that your sexuality is genetically decided. It's not a choice to be homosexual. If people have been created to like someone of the same sexe, then let them live like they have been created.
Do you have some scientific evidence for this, because i tend to agree with Manx here. Just look how it was sexualy in pre-medieval times and you will see that it is a social construct...
After some research I think I have to agree with you, there's no scientific evidence. I don't think it's a choice though, more something that overcomes you, just like straigjt love.
I'd agree with admirschleck that it most certainly isn't genetically inherited. As I'd agree with Selwink that it is something that overcomes you, a passion. However, I do not think that it is right, and that such passions can be overcome.
Why do you think it's wrong then? It's a natural minority of homosexuals. I'm left-handed, part of a small minority as well. Society is made for right-handed. Should I adapt or should I be tolerated?
I believe that it is wrong, that it is a sin which God condemns as deplorable in the Bible.
If God considers it a sin, why would he even create homosexuality at all?
God did not create homosexuality, it is a sin which man brought into the world when he first sinned against God by wanting to be God.
Then why wouldn't God interrupt and seemingly tolerate it?
Because if God was to punish us the way our sins deserve everytime we sinned, we would not be able to live another day.
It's His mercy which allows us to continue living. He does not wish to punish the whole human race, and so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to live the perfect life that we never could, and then die the death He didn't deserve, taking the sin of His people onto Himself. The just was punished for the unjust. And so if you trust that Jesus Christ did indeed die for you, and more than that rose from the dead to proclaim His victory over death, then you will have your sins forgiven and go to be with Him in heaven.
However, if you do not choose to follow Christ, one day you will die, and rather than Jesus taking the punishment for your sins, you will be punished for all of your sins, in hell.
A gamble I'd be willing to take.
Surely purely from a gambling perspective is it not better to be a Christian than not?
If the Bible is true, then those who are Christians will go to heaven and those who aren't will go to hell.
If the Bible is not ture, and this life is all there is, what difference does it make whether I follow the Bible or not? There is not afterlife, so we both share the same fate.
For all those saying homosexuality is genetically decided: there is no scientific proof. There is scientific proof, however, that gender is genetically decided. To separate the two is a modern notion that has spurred this whole debate. In today's society, someone can be a man trapped in a woman's body, but fifty years ago, that idea was crazy. People keep comparing homosexuality to race, so I will continue. Imagine if I, a Caucasian, said to people that on the inside, I was Chinese. They would look at me like I was crazy. For some reason, the same thing (only with sexuality) has become accepted as fact, not as a potential disorder (I don't really like using that word, but I can't think of another one. I'm not saying people who are gay are worse than heteros, what I'm saying is that perhaps the behavior isn't normal, and thus homosexual marriage should not be allowed).
I hope I said that correctly, because I don't want to offend anyone. I believe that everyone is equal, but some behaviors are not right.
EDIT: zabel'd on all the religion talk, so this post might seem a bit out of place.
That religion talk is not going to end well so....
It's an interesting view on homosexuality. Lets transfer it away from humans and apply it to homosexual animals. The social construct does not apply so perhaps we could assume homosexuality if an animalistic trait. We evolved (don't pick up on this as an argument about religion) and created society, but maintained this animalistic trait. This would make homosexuality a sub-conscious thing we cannot control. Does that make it a wrong behavior? It would be on the same level as the drive to feed.
admirschleck wrote:
I am sorry if you find my message vulgar, but it's just like it is.
You're born. Man and a woman made you. Your sex was decided by either God or nature, whatever you do believe in. You are a male. You have the penis. It's supposed to go into vagina and it's NOT supposed to go in men asshole. Simple as that. Got it?
Tell me now, how on earth is it normal to be gay? It's not the normal nature circle. I find (most of) gay people the people who wants some attention. You just can't walk in lycra pants, fuck men, make up and pretend to be a man. It's not going like that.
You seem to forget that your sexuality is genetically decided. It's not a choice to be homosexual. If people have been created to like someone of the same sexe, then let them live like they have been created.
Do you have some scientific evidence for this, because i tend to agree with Manx here. Just look how it was sexualy in pre-medieval times and you will see that it is a social construct...
After some research I think I have to agree with you, there's no scientific evidence. I don't think it's a choice though, more something that overcomes you, just like straigjt love.
I'd agree with admirschleck that it most certainly isn't genetically inherited. As I'd agree with Selwink that it is something that overcomes you, a passion. However, I do not think that it is right, and that such passions can be overcome.
Why do you think it's wrong then? It's a natural minority of homosexuals. I'm left-handed, part of a small minority as well. Society is made for right-handed. Should I adapt or should I be tolerated?
I believe that it is wrong, that it is a sin which God condemns as deplorable in the Bible.
If God considers it a sin, why would he even create homosexuality at all?
God did not create homosexuality, it is a sin which man brought into the world when he first sinned against God by wanting to be God.
Then why wouldn't God interrupt and seemingly tolerate it?
Because if God was to punish us the way our sins deserve everytime we sinned, we would not be able to live another day.
It's His mercy which allows us to continue living. He does not wish to punish the whole human race, and so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to live the perfect life that we never could, and then die the death He didn't deserve, taking the sin of His people onto Himself. The just was punished for the unjust. And so if you trust that Jesus Christ did indeed die for you, and more than that rose from the dead to proclaim His victory over death, then you will have your sins forgiven and go to be with Him in heaven.
However, if you do not choose to follow Christ, one day you will die, and rather than Jesus taking the punishment for your sins, you will be punished for all of your sins, in hell.
But wouldn't God want to get rid of punishments. The most effective way of doing so is punishing people publicly, so others can learn from it. He however doesn't do that, but why wouldn't he?
TheManxMissile wrote:
It's an interesting view on homosexuality. Lets transfer it away from humans and apply it to homosexual animals. The social construct does not apply so perhaps we could assume homosexuality if an animalistic trait. We evolved (don't pick up on this as an argument about religion) and created society, but maintained this animalistic trait. This would make homosexuality a sub-conscious thing we cannot control. Does that make it a wrong behavior? It would be on the same level as the drive to feed.
Very interesting point. Wikipedia has a very big article on homosexual behaviour by animals with lots of links to research, in fact stating: "No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis."
You could say at least that (homo)sexual behaviour is not determined by rationality, at least from a Aristotle perspective.
admirschleck wrote:
I am sorry if you find my message vulgar, but it's just like it is.
You're born. Man and a woman made you. Your sex was decided by either God or nature, whatever you do believe in. You are a male. You have the penis. It's supposed to go into vagina and it's NOT supposed to go in men asshole. Simple as that. Got it?
Tell me now, how on earth is it normal to be gay? It's not the normal nature circle. I find (most of) gay people the people who wants some attention. You just can't walk in lycra pants, fuck men, make up and pretend to be a man. It's not going like that.
You seem to forget that your sexuality is genetically decided. It's not a choice to be homosexual. If people have been created to like someone of the same sexe, then let them live like they have been created.
Do you have some scientific evidence for this, because i tend to agree with Manx here. Just look how it was sexualy in pre-medieval times and you will see that it is a social construct...
After some research I think I have to agree with you, there's no scientific evidence. I don't think it's a choice though, more something that overcomes you, just like straigjt love.
I'd agree with admirschleck that it most certainly isn't genetically inherited. As I'd agree with Selwink that it is something that overcomes you, a passion. However, I do not think that it is right, and that such passions can be overcome.
Why do you think it's wrong then? It's a natural minority of homosexuals. I'm left-handed, part of a small minority as well. Society is made for right-handed. Should I adapt or should I be tolerated?
I believe that it is wrong, that it is a sin which God condemns as deplorable in the Bible.
If God considers it a sin, why would he even create homosexuality at all?
God did not create homosexuality, it is a sin which man brought into the world when he first sinned against God by wanting to be God.
Then why wouldn't God interrupt and seemingly tolerate it?
Because if God was to punish us the way our sins deserve everytime we sinned, we would not be able to live another day.
It's His mercy which allows us to continue living. He does not wish to punish the whole human race, and so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to live the perfect life that we never could, and then die the death He didn't deserve, taking the sin of His people onto Himself. The just was punished for the unjust. And so if you trust that Jesus Christ did indeed die for you, and more than that rose from the dead to proclaim His victory over death, then you will have your sins forgiven and go to be with Him in heaven.
However, if you do not choose to follow Christ, one day you will die, and rather than Jesus taking the punishment for your sins, you will be punished for all of your sins, in hell.
But wouldn't God want to get rid of punishments. The most effective way of doing so is punishing people publicly, so others can learn from it. He however doesn't do that, but why wouldn't he?
It's a question of free will. God is not imposing His will upon the world. He has given us His guidebook on how to live, and it is up to us to choose whether to follow it or not.
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