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| EBH |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:17
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issoisso wrote:
So I came back, and predictably there was a post here too stupid to pass up.
EBH wrote:
Pfft, you are as biased against Hagen as we are for him. At least you were. I think I remember you saying that at best he would become an above average time-trialist, and average sprinter, while he is already becoming one of the best all-rounders in the peloton.
Wrong. I said he'd be Jens Voigt with a better sprint. But of course it suits you to misquote me. Voigt is such an awful rider 
As for saying I'm biased against Hagen, he's actually a rider I like very much, riding for the team I most admire. I just don't let bias blind me.
Take the blinders off and see things as they are. And stop lying. You're making yourself look like quite a big idiot.
Well I'm sorry I don't have time to find the exact quote, I just wrote what I remembered (this was about 1 year ago...).
I probably didn't see your post where you said he would be like Jens Voigt with better sprint, but if that's what you mean I'm gonna have to agree with you. What I referred to was a post where you said something like "the Norwegians think Edvald will world class at all fields, while he most likely will only be good in at one thing, and that's if he focuses on it."
I might have misunderstood you, I might have remembered wrong, and if that's the case I apologize. |
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| t-baum |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:19
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issoisso wrote:
So I came back, and predictably there was a post here too stupid to pass up.
EBH wrote:
Pfft, you are as biased against Hagen as we are for him. At least you were. I think I remember you saying that at best he would become an above average time-trialist, and average sprinter, while he is already becoming one of the best all-rounders in the peloton.
Wrong. I said he'd be Jens Voigt with a better sprint. But of course it suits you to misquote me. So if you're right, then Voigt is nothing but an average time triallist and nothing else. That makes no sense.....because your starting point is faulty.
If you actually think I said such a stupid thing, by all means, quote me the post where I said that. Go ahead, do it. It should be easy, if I'm so biased, right?
I'll be right here waiting, when you manage to quote me saying such a stupid thing.....which will be never. Because in case it isn't tremendously obvious, I never said such a thing.
I remember the discussion you're referring to, though. So here's a little help so that you can find it more easily with the forum's search function. It's a quote from that discussion:
issoisso wrote:
Goldberger wrote:
And it's not only norwegians who think Edvald can do big things in the Tour De France, Brian Holm and Bob Stapleton also thinks Edvald is one of the biggest talents in cycling.
Of course he is one of the biggest talents.
As for saying I'm biased against Hagen, he's actually a rider I like very much, riding for the team I most admire. I just don't let bias blind me.
Take the blinders off and see things as they are. And stop lying. You're making yourself look like quite a big idiot.
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Anyway, the reason I came here:
I was just watching the 1999 Giro DVD.
Paul sherwen commenting on each of the riders in the breakaway individually:
Alessandro petacchi, a rider with 1 career win, from a breakaway in langkawi earlier this year. not a good finisher from a big bunch, but might be dangerous in a small group
How things change 
I do remember you saying that...
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| Polkadot |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:20
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Michael Rogers about Edvald at his Twitter-sie:
Edvald (Eddy Merckx the 2nd) took the stage win today. What a kid!!! He's got some talent. Btw, never been so scared on a bike as today
One God: Lance Armstrong
One Dream: Magdalena Neuner
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:22
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EBH wrote:
I might have misunderstood you, I might have remembered wrong, and if that's the case I apologize.
No worries 
Just don't accuse me of random bias any more.
t-baum wrote:
I do remember you saying that...
Then by all means find it 
Just a heads up: I searched the forum for all my posts with the word "Hagen" in them, and read them all. I never said hagen would "at best be an average sprinter with above average time trial" or anything similar.
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:25
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How does Rui Costa compares to Merckx the 2nd? |
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| EBH |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:26
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issoisso wrote:
EBH wrote:
I might have misunderstood you, I might have remembered wrong, and if that's the case I apologize.
No worries
Just don't accuse me of random bias any more.
Well you accused me of being an idiot so I think we are even  |
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Posted on 15-05-2009 17:27
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EBH wrote:
Well you accused me of being an idiot
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You don't learn, do you?
Stop lying. Stop accusing me of writing things I didn't write.
Now go back and read what I said again.
I'm going to say it again:
And stop lying. You're making yourself look like quite a big idiot.
Edited by issoisso on 15-05-2009 17:28
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Posted on 15-05-2009 17:29
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The one thing that has impressed me the most about Edvald in the giro, is how good he climbs the mountains. I didn't think he would be that good already in the mountains.
I wouldn't write Edvald off as GC contender yet, when Bradley Wiggins can beat Lance Arnstrong on a mountain stage, everything can happen |
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Posted on 15-05-2009 17:53
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Goldberger wrote:
The one thing that has impressed me the most about Edvald in the giro, is how good he climbs the mountains. I didn't think he would be that good already in the mountains.
I wouldn't write Edvald off as GC contender yet, when Bradley Wiggins can beat Lance Arnstrong on a mountain stage, everything can happen
I don't hink he will win a 3 week GC. Thats a bit too much. But something like Paris - Nice is something that could be well within his reach... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:58
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I seriously doubt it. In his youth he couldn't win tours when any real climbs where in it.
Even one of the easier Tour l'Avenirs in the past 10 years, he couldn't win the GC. He won 3 stages, but in the overall he was way behind.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 15-05-2009 18:00
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Hagen is made for the odd stage here and there and is a good classics rider.
He's a good rider, but not a stage race contender..
I like Hagen still
Edited by doddy13 on 15-05-2009 18:14
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| ruben |
Posted on 15-05-2009 18:01
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As an addition to that: except the flatter 1-week tours like ENECO, Tour of Poland, and a weaker edition of the Tirreno (it has some easy editions as well) |
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Posted on 15-05-2009 18:01
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I don't see why he would work on his climbing when he can still improve on what he's good at. I would say concentrating on time trials and sprints would be the best for him. |
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Posted on 15-05-2009 18:06
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We love you Edvald <3 |
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Posted on 15-05-2009 18:54
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doddy13 wrote:
Hagen is made for the odd stage here and there and is a good classics rider.
He's a good rider, but not a stage race contender..
I like Hagen still
Love your new avatar |
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Posted on 15-05-2009 19:01
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mrlol wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Hagen is made for the odd stage here and there and is a good classics rider.
He's a good rider, but not a stage race contender..
I like Hagen still
Love your new avatar
I had inspiration |
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| Juan |
Posted on 15-05-2009 19:25
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Rewatched final kilometer, Boasson Hagen can really thank Brutt
On the other hand, he really owned them in the sprint
As for Norwegian people supporting their riders out loud, I think it's quite cool, at least they support clean guys, and classy guys.
When I think that I'm not even happy when one French rider wins
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 15-05-2009 19:40
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I'm going to wait on judging what Hagen will be until he develops. Prior to the Giro last year there were a lot that said Cavendish was a "nice" sprinter, but since he hadn't won any GT stages or beaten the top sprinters, he wasn't going to be elite.
In the year since, he won more than a handful of GT stages, and MSR.
Hagen may turn into the next Jens Voight... or he might be the next Paulo Bettini... or he might become the next George Hincappie... or the next Fabian Cancellera... or the next Tom Boonen (sans Coke I hope). All of these seem like POSSIBLE paths his development might take. He might also peak where he is right now (which isn't all that bad)
About the only thing you can say is that he's probably not going to be a climber capable of a GT win. Other than that, whatever he turns into won't suprise me much. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-05-2009 19:46
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KurtinSC wrote:
or he might be the next Paulo Bettini...
The others, though slim possibilities, are possibilities. But Hagen isn't good on the hills, and above all doesn't have the insane acceleration that Bettini did....which makes sense since Bettini started as a climber.
And acceleration is the one thing you can't possibly improve. Ever. You just lose it year after year until you go from what Contador is now and Simoni was many years ago, to what Simoni is now....a guy without any turn of speed.
(OK, not "without any". Only Ivan Basso is completely "without any".
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Posted on 15-05-2009 19:49
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the weird part is, I always liked hagen, and always seen him as one of the greatest if not the greatest talent of his year(s). But when Norwegians start comparing him to Bettini, or say he is going to climb well, etcetera, I get itchy...
Stop it, before I dislike Hagen because of fanboys  |
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