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Le Tour 09: Stage 10 - Limoges - Issoudun
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-07-2009 19:39
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Cremalex wrote:
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And... If they can be on strike because there is no radio... why don´t we make the fans another not going to Verbier. Imagine a banner on the top: "Empty for boredom".
Right. You've now been complaining for 10 posts in row. I've been complaining too, and so have many others.
BUT: Since when has the 1st week of the Tour been interesting? It's always been like this.
So, relax, don't overdo it.
¿And when have you seen a Tour without a single attack in three mountain stages?
They are forgetting that they are something due to the people that travel many kms to see them pass during 10 seconds and they are paying us with stage after stage of cyclotourism.
There's only been 1 mountain stage so far in this Tour. On that one, we had 2 attacks. Unfortunately, there was a lot of headwind which prevented further attacks.
The exact same thing happened during last year's Tour. |
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Posted on 14-07-2009 19:43
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Just ticked in: Arvesen has indeed broken his collarbone and has left the Tour. |
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| Cremalex |
Posted on 14-07-2009 19:52
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Well, so you agree with me that the route is one of the worst of the History of the Tour. There is only one stage deign of a Tour of France: Le Grand Bornand.
I am bored with the excuse of the wind. Why the wind is so terrible now and different of ten years ago? Maybe the global warming? Do you imagine Chiapucci or Pantani using the wind as an excuse?
If the wind is so harmful, another strike on the Mont Ventoux.
They don't know which argument to use to justify their mediocrity. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 14-07-2009 19:56
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i agree that it's a very weak route.
how the hell has a rider like nocentini, with a team like AG2R held on to the yellow jersey through the pyrenees? every stage ended in a breakaway winning. it's a french conspiracy to get more french riders winning stages! |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:00
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Cremalex wrote:
Well, so you agree with me that the route is one of the worst of the History of the Tour. There is only one stage deign of a Tour of France: Le Grand Bornand.
I am bored with the excuse of the wind. Why the wind is so terrible now and different of ten years ago? Maybe the global warming? Do you imagine Chiapucci or Pantani using the wind as an excuse?
If the wind is so harmful, another strike on the Mont Ventoux.
They don't know which argument to use to justify their mediocrity.
I've been reading my post over and over again, and I can't seem to find where I say that at all.
As said, the 1st week of the Tour hasn't been exciting for many years. Let's wait with the final judgement until the Tour is over. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:13
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The so-called split in the peleton is pathetic, verging on disgraceful. A couple of bikelengths at most .. 15 seconds!
The sprint just confirmed what was already known. Cavendish is the best sprinter comfortably and should really be in Green, Hushovd's only hopes lie with intermediate sprints which shouldnt really be how to win the Green Jersey, and although Farrar can position himself, he doesnt have the pace to pass the top sprinters in the world. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:16
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Green at first meaning active rider..
About booring Tour..Tour is not over..Pyrenees was booring and TTT was not good for "fair play" |
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| Setzel |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:19
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SportingNonsense wrote:
The so-called split in the peleton is pathetic, verging on disgraceful. A couple of bikelengths at most .. 15 seconds!
The sprint just confirmed what was already known. Cavendish is the best sprinter comfortably and should really be in Green, Hushovd's only hopes lie with intermediate sprints which shouldnt really be how to win the Green Jersey, and although Farrar can position himself, he doesnt have the pace to pass the top sprinters in the world.
Sn remmeber like in every sport , not the one who will make a show will win it's the one who works hard and battles for everything , i am not a hushovd fan not a cav either , but cav should really move his but and sprint for intermediate sprints too , and he better not abandon because this year TdF is not as hard as other TdF he really has a big chance to wear green in Paris. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:20
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wait for the Alpes. Them stages look quite good actually.
-Verbier, unbody's talking about it, but it's the first appointment for GC guys, oh and it's Sunday
Where from there? Well...
Very much like the Col de la Bonnette stage last year IMO
The queen stage
Finally....
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:21
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Setzel wrote:
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The so-called split in the peleton is pathetic, verging on disgraceful. A couple of bikelengths at most .. 15 seconds!
The sprint just confirmed what was already known. Cavendish is the best sprinter comfortably and should really be in Green, Hushovd's only hopes lie with intermediate sprints which shouldnt really be how to win the Green Jersey, and although Farrar can position himself, he doesnt have the pace to pass the top sprinters in the world.
Sn remmeber like in every sport , not the one who will make a show will win it's the one who works hard and battles for everything , i am not a hushovd fan not a cav either , but cav should really move his but and sprint for intermediate sprints too , and he better not abandon because this year TdF is not as hard as other TdF he really has a big chance to wear green in Paris.
Yawn. I guess it really will take until a few hours after Stage 21 for people to stop expecting (or thinking) Cavendish to abandon the race. Maybe even longer so it can sink in. |
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:21
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But there´s not much to look forward to, only 2 mountain-top finishes if i´m right. I´m happy that Hushovd has green and Boonen nothing but really, the Pyrenees were too easy.
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| Setzel |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:23
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I said he better not abandon
From my view this is the easiest TdF in a long time so sprinters must finish tdf |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:23
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Bosskardo wrote:
But there´s not much to look forward to, only 2 mountain-top finishes if i´m right. I´m happy that Hushovd has green and Boonen nothing but really, the Pyrenees were too easy.
and, mountain top finishes doesn't mean it's not going to be a GC day?
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| knasen |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:24
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Cremalex wrote:
Well, so you agree with me that the route is one of the worst of the History of the Tour. There is only one stage deign of a Tour of France: Le Grand Bornand.
I am bored with the excuse of the wind. Why the wind is so terrible now and different of ten years ago? Maybe the global warming? Do you imagine Chiapucci or Pantani using the wind as an excuse?
If the wind is so harmful, another strike on the Mont Ventoux.
They don't know which argument to use to justify their mediocrity.
That was what I said before the Tour in June. And I am been proving right. Mountain top finishes is the only solution. And a lot of them. Look at the Giro two rather small mountain top finishes the first week. But them shake up the overall.
Edited by knasen on 14-07-2009 20:27
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| niconico |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:32
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CrueTrue wrote:
Cremalex wrote:
Well, so you agree with me that the route is one of the worst of the History of the Tour. There is only one stage deign of a Tour of France: Le Grand Bornand.
I am bored with the excuse of the wind. Why the wind is so terrible now and different of ten years ago? Maybe the global warming? Do you imagine Chiapucci or Pantani using the wind as an excuse?
If the wind is so harmful, another strike on the Mont Ventoux.
They don't know which argument to use to justify their mediocrity.
I've been reading my post over and over again, and I can't seem to find where I say that at all.
As said, the 1st week of the Tour hasn't been exciting for many years. Let's wait with the final judgement until the Tour is over.
No, but mostly the Pyrenees aren't over after the first week either. Normally there are no mountains in the first week.
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| Wolfos |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:35
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SportingNonsense wrote:
The sprint just confirmed what was already known. Cavendish is the best sprinter comfortably and should really be in Green, Hushovd's only hopes lie with intermediate sprints which shouldnt really be how to win the Green Jersey, and although Farrar can position himself, he doesnt have the pace to pass the top sprinters in the world.
Cavendish is the fastest sprinter, yes. However, he pretty much won this stage in the turn 600 meters from the line, when Hincapie almost ran into his own train and Hushovd lost Cavs wheel. Getting the gap back in the uphill was hard enough, and thus Cav was never really threatened. I think Hushovd would have won this stage if they swapped positions (and teams), Cav wouldn't have gotten around him on the uphill finish. I think he's also capable of either staying on Cavs wheel or even beating him once all the way to Paris. That's his chance, and one I think he deserves. There are some interesting, hilly finishes coming up.
I don't want a jersey for completely flat sprints only, you would have to give no points at all even for stages like the one to Barcelona. At least the Tour makes it harder for climbers to win the points jersey than in the Giro. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:40
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Wolfos wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
The sprint just confirmed what was already known. Cavendish is the best sprinter comfortably and should really be in Green, Hushovd's only hopes lie with intermediate sprints which shouldnt really be how to win the Green Jersey, and although Farrar can position himself, he doesnt have the pace to pass the top sprinters in the world.
Cavendish is the fastest sprinter, yes. However, he pretty much won this stage in the turn 600 meters from the line, when Hincapie almost ran into his own train and Hushovd lost Cavs wheel. Getting the gap back in the uphill was hard enough, and thus Cav was never really threatened. I think Hushovd would have won this stage if they swapped positions (and teams), Cav wouldn't have gotten around him on the uphill finish. I think he's also capable of either staying on Cavs wheel or even beating him once all the way to Paris. That's his chance, and one I think he deserves. There are some interesting, hilly finishes coming up.
I don't want a jersey for completely flat sprints only, you would have to give no points at all even for stages like the one to Barcelona. At least the Tour makes it harder for climbers to win the points jersey than in the Giro.
but cav won the milan-san remo after everyone said he wouldn't get up the hills. you say hushovd is capable of beating cavendish but how many times has he beaten him in the last 2 years? in a sprint cav will win 9 times out of 10. he can win any kind of sprint on any gradient because he is simply more powerful then anyone else in the world at the moment. |
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| ember |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:53
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Cav is the worlds best sprinter, but don't forget his train....that is definately world class, when you are getting delivered in pole position it is great to be the sprinter......And I think, as Wolfos said, that Hushovd would have a good shot in beating Cav if he gets the same train before the sprint starts/the same conditions... Then Hushovd stands a much better chance against Cav, but unfortunately for Hushovd, Cervelo can't give him that train, and no other team can't either.
Columbia and Cav is simply the worlds best when it comes to mass sprints.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 14-07-2009 20:57
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Hushovd got the points because of his intermediate points on Stage whatever it was.
Yes he won Barcelona and Thor's going around saying that on that stage "he got him". Sorry that's like Contador saying he won a mountain stage and saying "I beat cav".
But if he didn't get them intermediate points he wouldn't be in green.
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Posted on 14-07-2009 20:58
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ember wrote:
Cav is the worlds best sprinter, but don't forget his train....that is definately world class, when you are getting delivered in pole position it is great to be the sprinter......And I think, as Wolfos said, that Hushovd would have a good shot in beating Cav if he gets the same train before the sprint starts/the same conditions... Then Hushovd stands a much better chance against Cav, but unfortunately for Hushovd, Cervelo can't give him that train, and no other team can't either.
Columbia and Cav is simply the worlds best when it comes to mass sprints.
The fact still remains that Hushovd has so far been unable to pass Cavendish when on his wheel. Perfect position surely? |
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