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Halvor
No, Kohl too... I hope.
 
thex
i hope too kohl he wasn't really realistic when you see how good he was the last years...
I am the king.
 
Setzel
F_Schleck wrote:
No, Kohl too... I hope.





That 13 list i think i still being open untill the info will come this weekend


CSC will be going down if the 13 riders are doped too .
Eating my daily Breakfast at 9 pm

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CrueTrue
Weird statement from the spokesman of UCI, Enrico Carpani. To Danish press, he's said that we might see one more positive case.

One?
 
http://www.pcmdaily.com
Smoothie
Personally i think that's a bit of a give away. There's got to be one more now Pfft
 
chuckie
CrueTrue wrote:
Weird statement from the spokesman of UCI, Enrico Carpani. To Danish press, he's said that we might see one more positive case.

One?


Maybe he ment one more batch of cases eg.sastre,andy,frank etc.
www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races09/tdf09/tdf09st08gc-wegmann.jpg
 
issoisso
But he said there were two more just this morning....WTF
 
brun sweater
lol. We're being driven around like little girls at a boyband concert.

COMMUNIQUE DE PRESSE
PRESS RELEASE
Date: 7 octobre / 7 October 2008
Analysis of Tour de France samples by the AFLD:
three abnormal results

The French Anti-Doping Agency (Agence Française de Lutte contre le Dopage – AFLD) has informed the International Cycling Union (UCI) of the results of first analyses of repeat tests conducted on samples taken during this year's Tour de France to detect any use of EPO (CERA in particular).

The AFLD informed the UCI of the existence of three abnormal results that correspond to samples taken from Leonardo Piepoli, Riccardo Riccò and Stefan Schumacher.

The UCI congratulates the AFLD on the excellent work it carried out during the Tour de France. The collaboration with the AFLD shows that cycling as a whole rejects any kind of doping and is committed to eradicating cheating.

The correspondence of the results obtained by the AFLD with the information gathered under the biological passport system confirms the reliability of the latter. The biological passport was introduced this year and will soon be fully operational.

A thorough approach and the deployment of all possible means are vital if we are to safeguard the interests of those riders who are clean, who make up the great majority of the peloton. Such rigour applies to all concerned. In this respect, the UCI was extremely disappointed to learn of the allegations made recently by several media organisations regarding a number of riders, whose names were mentioned, completely unfairly, in this context.


UCI Press Service


:lol: omg, that is really funny :lol:

First it was 14 named riders, then 10, now 3? and one of them already caught duirng the race?

Did anybody say witch hunt?
Edited by brun sweater on 07-10-2008 22:46
 
YtimK
According to an interview on radsport-aktiv.de Jens Voigt is "hoping that this issue wasn't the last nail on the coffin that brought cycling from life to death" and furthermore: "if the probe gets approved this would be an epic tragedy"(free translated)
kinda strong words for someone who is suspicious as well according to this list which was published. If he really gets caught as a doper I hope he'll get one badass roundhousekick

edit: only one more positive case? maybe there is hope for cycling Sad
Edited by YtimK on 07-10-2008 22:50
 
brun sweater
Voigt is only suspicious because of good performance, so ..... he isn't really suspicious now is he?

Did anybody say witch hunt?

edit: Prudhomme says one, maybe two cases more!?
Edited by brun sweater on 07-10-2008 22:59
 
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shadow80
issoisso wrote:
shadow80 wrote:
I wasn't surprised too much either about the whole thing with Schumacher because if I recall, Sergei Gontchar won a pair of time trials even though he was long past his prime and had never really performed that well in time trials consistently up to when he won the tour de france time trials.

Basically the rule of thumb seems to be if the rider has not shown a reputation or palmares for winning that particular type of event or race, he likely is doped to the gills.

Another rule of thumb, especially for GC contenders is that if a guy is able to keep attacking and attacking without burning his last matches a la Ricco, he's doped to the gills.


A. Gonchar was also busted.

B. Please don't make such "rules of thumb". Just because a guy is good means nothing.


Um, that was why I mentioned Gontchar because I knew he had been busted. He put out times and won two time trials despite not having won any prior TdF TTs for the past few years. That is precisely my point, unreal performances that go beyond what is expected of a cyclist who has a set pattern of ability and tendency is a sign of doping.
 
Alesle
shadow80 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
shadow80 wrote:
I wasn't surprised too much either about the whole thing with Schumacher because if I recall, Sergei Gontchar won a pair of time trials even though he was long past his prime and had never really performed that well in time trials consistently up to when he won the tour de france time trials.

Basically the rule of thumb seems to be if the rider has not shown a reputation or palmares for winning that particular type of event or race, he likely is doped to the gills.

Another rule of thumb, especially for GC contenders is that if a guy is able to keep attacking and attacking without burning his last matches a la Ricco, he's doped to the gills.


A. Gonchar was also busted.

B. Please don't make such "rules of thumb". Just because a guy is good means nothing.


Um, that was why I mentioned Gontchar because I knew he had been busted. He put out times and won two time trials despite not having won any prior TdF TTs for the past few years. That is precisely my point, unreal performances that go beyond what is expected of a cyclist who has a set pattern of ability and tendency is a sign of doping.

You believe he was clean up until that race?
 
CrueTrue
brun sweater wrote:
lol. We're being driven around like little girls at a boyband concert.

COMMUNIQUE DE PRESSE
PRESS RELEASE
Date: 7 octobre / 7 October 2008
Analysis of Tour de France samples by the AFLD:
three abnormal results

The French Anti-Doping Agency (Agence Française de Lutte contre le Dopage – AFLD) has informed the International Cycling Union (UCI) of the results of first analyses of repeat tests conducted on samples taken during this year's Tour de France to detect any use of EPO (CERA in particular).

The AFLD informed the UCI of the existence of three abnormal results that correspond to samples taken from Leonardo Piepoli, Riccardo Riccò and Stefan Schumacher.

The UCI congratulates the AFLD on the excellent work it carried out during the Tour de France. The collaboration with the AFLD shows that cycling as a whole rejects any kind of doping and is committed to eradicating cheating.

The correspondence of the results obtained by the AFLD with the information gathered under the biological passport system confirms the reliability of the latter. The biological passport was introduced this year and will soon be fully operational.

A thorough approach and the deployment of all possible means are vital if we are to safeguard the interests of those riders who are clean, who make up the great majority of the peloton. Such rigour applies to all concerned. In this respect, the UCI was extremely disappointed to learn of the allegations made recently by several media organisations regarding a number of riders, whose names were mentioned, completely unfairly, in this context.


UCI Press Service


:lol: omg, that is really funny :lol:

First it was 14 named riders, then 10, now 3? and one of them already caught duirng the race?

Did anybody say witch hunt?


I think that you're misreading it.

"The French Anti-Doping Agency (Agence Française de Lutte contre le Dopage – AFLD) has informed the International Cycling Union (UCI) of the results of first analyses of repeat tests conducted on samples taken during this year's Tour de France to detect any use of EPO (CERA in particular)."

First ... more to come Wink
 
http://www.pcmdaily.com
jacknic
Christian Prudhomme has said that he expects maybe one or two more cases.
 
Stijn_vranken
is that all. Shock. they started with 13 ( i believe)?
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around

RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
 
brun sweater
CrueTrue wrote:
brun sweater wrote:
.....


I think that you're misreading it.

"The French Anti-Doping Agency (Agence Française de Lutte contre le Dopage – AFLD) has informed the International Cycling Union (UCI) of the results of first analyses of repeat tests conducted on samples taken during this year's Tour de France to detect any use of EPO (CERA in particular)."

First ... more to come Wink


Bad grammar from UCI in that case. I read as first analyses, not the first analyses Wink
 
fefj
issoisso wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
After all of this I have severe difficulties saying any riders are clean. When a guy like Sastre is suddenly under suspicion I start losing faith, because he is a guy who you would really think would stay away from illegal substances after the JM Jimenez tragedy. I still don't believe Sastre is doped, but with all the on-going talks I can't somehow deny him being that. And if Sastre is doped, everyone's doped!


This is the major problem with cycling fans. They ignore all facts and are simply mindless emotional cronies.

Get a grip man, look at the facts. For the three millionth time, personality HAS FUCK ALL TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT YOU DOPE.

jesus...


For years these people go on "I love this and that rider. He's not doped, just because I love him. And if he's doped then everyone else is doped, because he is the most innocent human being ever. Why is he? Because I love him, that's all."

Never any facts, never any logic, just mindless emotions.

Think people, THINK

A_Schleck has got a point about the Jimenez thing, me thinks Wink
 
Stijn_vranken
fefj wrote:
issoisso wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
After all of this I have severe difficulties saying any riders are clean. When a guy like Sastre is suddenly under suspicion I start losing faith, because he is a guy who you would really think would stay away from illegal substances after the JM Jimenez tragedy. I still don't believe Sastre is doped, but with all the on-going talks I can't somehow deny him being that. And if Sastre is doped, everyone's doped!


This is the major problem with cycling fans. They ignore all facts and are simply mindless emotional cronies.

Get a grip man, look at the facts. For the three millionth time, personality HAS FUCK ALL TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT YOU DOPE.

jesus...


For years these people go on "I love this and that rider. He's not doped, just because I love him. And if he's doped then everyone else is doped, because he is the most innocent human being ever. Why is he? Because I love him, that's all."

Never any facts, never any logic, just mindless emotions.

Think people, THINK

A_Schleck has got a point about the Jimenez thing, me thinks Wink


i think issoisso is right. the urge to win is just to big.
they will never learn lessons from the past.

and like isso said. if you are a fan of a certain rider. you start to think he is as innocent as an angel.

DUDES NOBODY IS INNOCENT!!

they all took doping at a certain time.
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around

RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
 
fefj
Stijn_vranken wrote:
fefj wrote:
issoisso wrote:
A_Schleck wrote:
After all of this I have severe difficulties saying any riders are clean. When a guy like Sastre is suddenly under suspicion I start losing faith, because he is a guy who you would really think would stay away from illegal substances after the JM Jimenez tragedy. I still don't believe Sastre is doped, but with all the on-going talks I can't somehow deny him being that. And if Sastre is doped, everyone's doped!


This is the major problem with cycling fans. They ignore all facts and are simply mindless emotional cronies.

Get a grip man, look at the facts. For the three millionth time, personality HAS FUCK ALL TO DO WITH WHETHER OR NOT YOU DOPE.

jesus...


For years these people go on "I love this and that rider. He's not doped, just because I love him. And if he's doped then everyone else is doped, because he is the most innocent human being ever. Why is he? Because I love him, that's all."

Never any facts, never any logic, just mindless emotions.

Think people, THINK

A_Schleck has got a point about the Jimenez thing, me thinks Wink


i think issoisso is right. the urge to win is just to big.
they will never learn lessons from the past.

and like isso said. if you are a fan of a certain rider. you start to think he is as innocent as an angel.

DUDES NOBODY IS INNOCENT!!

they all took doping at a certain time.

Agreed Smile
 
ruben
As a wise man once said on the PPDB forums:

ALL CYCLISTS ARE BROTHERS
 
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