Armstrong Back!!!!!!!
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Posted on 11-09-2008 17:22
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power=force*speed
power=weight*hight gained/time taken
they generally assume the weight to be roughly 800 (10kg bike+ 70kg rider)
which typically slightly overestimates wattage as most climbers are 60-65kg
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Posted on 11-09-2008 17:24
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schleck93 wrote:
Actually it's funny that the watteges has improved that much since Lemond, but the UCI hour record, has only improved 231 meters since 1972 (from Merckx 49.431km to Sosenkas 49.700km).
The issue there is that the UCI were hellbent on trying interfere with hour attempts (mainly British) in the 90s that they made it so that you could only ride with equipment similar to that of Merckx.
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Posted on 11-09-2008 17:27
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Atleast now you have to use the same equipment as you used back then so that you can't have a advateges due to better equipment
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Posted on 11-09-2008 17:38
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Aquarius wrote:
shadow80 : you don't get what isso aims at with his wattages. His figures are not powers measured in laboratories, but relative powers, including an heavier bike, measured in the last mountains of long mountain stages during Grand Tours (which are supposedly climbed as fast as possible, at the threshold in other words).
Thus it becomes possible to compare LeMond/Fignon/Hinault's performances to Ullrich/Armstrong/Riis/Indurain's ones.
There's a 15% increase there, and a 10% increase to Contador. That's more or less what you would also get if you'd give EPO to a cyclist (yes, there are studies about the effects of those products).
But how accurate are those calculations without a power meter? Pretty dubious. I'm sorry, I don't trust those calculations because you have several external factors throwing off those numbers, what about wind? What about rolling resistance of the tires? What about the surfaces? What about the bike weight? How precise are those factors calculated? So, unless you're talking about measuring them with an ergometer, I'm pretty skeptical of those numbers being the true wattages. |
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Posted on 11-09-2008 17:49
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It's not the true wattages! It's relative wattages calculated by giving all riders a total weight of 78 kg.By doing that you can compare different performances on different ascents in different years!
If you tjeck out the info below, you'll see a dramtic increase in powers from the year 1993. You've got to admit it's hard not to think EPO!
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Posted on 11-09-2008 17:56
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well, we can't see what happened in 1991 and 1992 so there may have been a more constant rise which could be accounted for by massive equipment improvement. Also, isn't it generally acknowledged that people have been taking drugs the whole time.
The relative wattages doesn't make sense as well because someone who is lighter requires less power to lift them self up a mountain, hence wattages are lower.
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Posted on 11-09-2008 18:04
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Well, Riis confessed to have started to dope in 1993. That fits quite nicely with Brun Sweaters diagram. |
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Posted on 11-09-2008 18:36
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mb2612 wrote:
well, we can't see what happened in 1991 and 1992 so there may have been a more constant rise which could be accounted for by massive equipment improvement. Also, isn't it generally acknowledged that people have been taking drugs the whole time.
The relative wattages doesn't make sense as well because someone who is lighter requires less power to lift them self up a mountain, hence wattages are lower.
Believe me, there have been no massive improvement in the equipment department.
Nothing compares to high hematocrit.
The relative wattages does make sence if you want to compare different performances on different ascents in different years. |
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Posted on 11-09-2008 19:20
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1987 was the introduction of steroid masking agent probenecid, that Tour winner 1988 Delgado tested positive for. That explains the rise in powers of the peloton. Then a test for probenecid came into being and the wattages went down.
Then EPO came.
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Posted on 11-09-2008 19:54
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Some of you guys seem to know far too much about doping........especially isso (or should I call you Dr.Fuentes?)!
Anyway I know who I'm coming to when I start my course of EPO in preperation for my comeback at the age of 37!
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Posted on 11-09-2008 20:11
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drugsdontwork wrote:
Some of you guys seem to know far too much about doping........especially isso (or should I call you Dr.Fuentes?)!
You have to, when you spend years and years and years dealing with fanboys who keep saying "[insert rider] isn't doped becaus he's a good guy he's honest he'd never dope", you have to have evidence to counter their complete lack of any.
Not to mention the "dude, cycling is so doped" crowd and kill their belief that football, etc. are clean.
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I know who I'm coming to when I start my course of EPO in preperation for my comeback at the age of 37!
You're out of luck, Bruyneel will be retired by then, you'll have to find someone else.
Edited by issoisso on 11-09-2008 20:11
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Posted on 24-09-2008 19:54
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Armstrong signed with Astana, it's sure now. I bet Contador will leave now. Katyusch is probably going to offer 2 million to him.
Astana-bound Lance eager to join Contador
Eurosport - Wed, 24 Sep 18:49:00 2008
Lance Armstrong confirmed he would join Kazakhstan's Astana team for his competitive comeback, saying that he was looking forward to teaming up with 2007 Tour de France victor Alberto Contador.
More StoriesContador may quit over Lance
Video: Lance unveils plans
"I will race in 2009 with Astana," the 37-year-old American told journalists in New York.
Armstrong said he would start with the Tour Down Under in Australia and would also compete in the 2009 Tour de France, which he has won seven times.
The cycling great and cancer survivor said he was returning to racing to promote his cancer prevention foundation. But he downplayed the idea he might win yet again.
"I don't know, honestly. I've been off the bike three years," he said. "I'll be nearly 38 years old.... So I honestly don't know."
"I will try to be as prepared as possible. I don't know that that equals victory.... I have a fair bit of confidence, but not that kind of confidence."
Nikolai Proskurin, the deputy president of Kazakhstan's cycling federation, said that Armstrong would share the leadership of Astana with current leader, Spain's Contador.
Responding to reports that Contador is unhappy at the idea, Armstrong said: "I look forward to racing with him."
"Alberto is the best rider on the planet right now. We have to understand that, have to respect that. I'm not sure I can ride that fast right now," he said. "I hope it works out."
Astana were banned from this year's Tour, along with Contador, because of doping controversies stemming from last year's race.
Contador, who won the Tour with Armstrong's former Discovery Channel team before signing with Astana, has said that he could quit over Armstrong's inclusion in the squad.
The reigning Giro D'Italia champion, Contador became the fifth rider in history to win all three Grand Tours when he completed victory in the Vuelta a Espana on Sunday.
scource: Eurosport.yahoo.com
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Posted on 24-09-2008 20:37
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I really hope it's not true that armstrong signing with astana means contador will leave. Contador is one of, if not THE, best talent in cycling today. Why should team astana get rid of him and maybe a bunch more grand tour wins with contador for a one year comeback with armstrong? Chances are he wont even win the tour, he's way to old. Contador is the best climber in cycling and by signing armstrong Bruyneel may be throwing him away. |
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Posted on 24-09-2008 20:45
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If Armstrong wanted to prove he's the best he wouldn't go to a team with Alberto Contador who has 3 grand tour,Kloden who has a 2nd in the tdf,Leipheimer who has 2nd in the Vuelta,3rd in the Tour and 3rd in the Vuelta.So Armstrong F**K OFF... |
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Cristi M |
Posted on 24-09-2008 20:58
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LOL that's a bit too much t-baum..
I agree with him, armstrong is a shit and i hate him..
i want to know now what you will say to me
damn it posts are deleted again...that sux
Edited by Cristi M on 24-09-2008 21:00
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Posted on 24-09-2008 21:01
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Crue deleted my post
EDIT: Hassel,
He is not coming back to win, he is coming back to spread cancer awareness and if you would of read the post that was 2 posts in front of that you would have known that.
sorry for yelling at you
Edited by t-baum on 24-09-2008 21:04
Macquet wrote:
"We all know that wasn't the real footage of the Worlds anyway. That was just the staged footage to perpetuate the coverup that it was actually Vinokourov that won the race."
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Posted on 24-09-2008 21:06
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i don't care why he's back, all i know is that i don't want too see him anymore !!!!
that shit destroyed my childhood and i hate him very much!!
Edited by Cristi M on 24-09-2008 21:07
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Posted on 24-09-2008 21:15
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Cristi M wrote:
i don't care why he's back, all i know is that i don't want too see him anymore !!!!
that shit destroyed my childhood and i hate him very much!!
Ullrich fan eh?
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Posted on 24-09-2008 21:18
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attack Crommy for the files, hes online now
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Posted on 24-09-2008 21:32
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t-baum wrote:
Crue deleted my post
EDIT: Hassel,
He is not coming back to win, he is coming back to spread cancer awareness and if you would of read the post that was 2 posts in front of that you would have known that.
sorry for yelling at you
Sorry but that is utter and total shit. He wouldn't come back if he didn't think he could do anything. I think the world is pretty "aware" of cancer. The only reason you actually believe him is because you're American and American cycling fans would kiss his ass if he asked. |
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