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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-08-2008 12:41
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Do you really think they feel they're cheating themselves ? I can rather see that cheaters spoil non-cheaters. If all riders were on dope, and all equal toward dope, then I wouldn't mind that they dope. It's not case. Some try to do their job lawfully, and get spoiled by cheaters. That's a shame. |
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 31-08-2008 12:49
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No, I don't think they have moral problems with cheating, and that's the problem. Harder punishment will not change that!
I will still insist though, that they're mainly cheating themselves, as they did not win an equal competition. And no, I really don't care if they can laugh all the way to the bank. |
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 31-08-2008 13:06
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Mmmm...but do you really feel someone like Lance Armstrong feels as if he cheated himself?
Everyone one of the guys he beat was doing exactly as he was doing.
I think it's still the same these days - It'd surprise me if any one of the winners of the 'big' races this season (ie. GT's and Monuments) have been racing clean..... |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 31-08-2008 13:07
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Cheaters will cheat no matter what.
If we give them lifetime bans, this removes the chance for them to cheat. A 2 year ban, and they'll just come back in and cheat.
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 31-08-2008 13:12
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One of the reason's they dope, is they're not expecting to be caught.
Therefore, not sure that a lifetime ban would have that big an effect. |
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Posted on 31-08-2008 22:42
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Hamilton won the US National Championships today. I could even tell that the commentator thought that it was a blow to clean cycling. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-09-2008 01:52
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this isnt emotional at all..this is more like logic next step. Lot has changed past few years...they still dont get as much doper that they should..but addidude is changed already. Ex doper isnt so popular anymore..I think team owner think twice to sign him or not. ASO will kick them out for ASO races.
Sponsors start to also show some initiativ..dope scandals..ok this is enough we are out. Soon team managers need to start a think a little.
I admire Barloworld ..you promised me that you can keep control over the rider's..now you failed good bye,
Ricco case..i personaly dont want to see this cocky bastard in action again..but sadly there is to many people in the world and press..who very much like to give headline..Ricco is back..will cobra strike ..etc.
Fuck them..i can realy live without him.
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Posted on 01-09-2008 09:20
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yeah i agree about ricco, he has an absolutely terrible attitude, what a tosser
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Posted on 01-09-2008 09:40
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brun sweater wrote:
Going to jail is way out of proportion in my view. Even lifetime bans after first offence is too harsh, I'd say. There's nothing to suggest that a harder punishment will provide lesser dopingcases? And punishing the teams doesn't seem realistic. If we look at the Saunier story, it seems the teams already get punished.
I don't think going to jail is way out of proportion - these drugs are illegal
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| brun sweater |
Posted on 01-09-2008 18:00
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Compared to how you punish law offenders in the society as a whole, it's way out of proportion. Jail doesn't solve anything! And, injecting yourself with your own blood, really isn't illegal. |
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Posted on 01-09-2008 18:12
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brun sweater wrote:And, injecting yourself with your own blood, really isn't illegal.
Now there's something I can agree with. I see no reason for it to be illegal, considering the principle of doping is to stop riders from harming their own health
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Posted on 01-09-2008 18:20
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I like the tactics by CONI who propably told Ricco and Sella that either you tell us where you got that CERA from or we'll go through all the Giro-tests and all your results will go to Hell. "Si, si, I cleared my mind," they said - and hopefully they did. We've still got Jesus Losa hanging around, pushing nutrition supplement, but Lissavetzky is having a too hard time looking innocent about Spain, I guess 
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Posted on 01-09-2008 18:24
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Stairs wrote:
I like the tactics by CONI who propably told Ricco and Sella that either you tell us where you got that CERA from or we'll go through all the Giro-tests and all your results will go to Hell. "Si, si, I cleared my mind," they said - and hopefully they did. We've still got Jesus Losa hanging around, pushing nutrition supplement, but Lissavetzky is having a too hard time looking innocent about Spain, I guess
Riccò apparently from Santuccione. You know, the guy that was taped on both phone and video talking to Di Luca about his doping programme, but they couldn't use the evidence because it's illegal to tap people in Italy...
so basically what they did was tell Di Luca "we have recordings, you're going to jail", but Di Luca knew it was illegal so he didn't budge.
It worked with Mazzoleni though, he cracked and confessed. He must've been pissed when he found out they couldn't nail him with that evidence
Still, Mazzoleni refused to name who provided him "even if I go to jail". It's the omerta in cycling, as it's always been. Most riders just pretend like they were acting alone. Those who don't never ever get any contracts with any teams again....which says a lot about how many "rotten" teams there still are out there...
Edited by issoisso on 01-09-2008 18:27
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Posted on 01-09-2008 18:34
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issoisso wrote:
Stairs wrote:
I like the tactics by CONI who propably told Ricco and Sella that either you tell us where you got that CERA from or we'll go through all the Giro-tests and all your results will go to Hell. "Si, si, I cleared my mind," they said - and hopefully they did. We've still got Jesus Losa hanging around, pushing nutrition supplement, but Lissavetzky is having a too hard time looking innocent about Spain, I guess
Riccò apparently from Santuccione. You know, the guy that was taped on both phone and video talking to Di Luca about his doping programme, but they couldn't use the evidence because it's illegal to tap people in Italy...
Yes, I know. Apparently riders would dress like women (yes, women) to remain unrecognized in Santuccione's area. Doesn't surprise me with Ricco's dressing-habits Enrico Lazzaro, the former doctor of several Italian teams, was Sella's pusher from Veneto
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