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Posted on 15-08-2008 01:13
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you have to be positive t-baum! if he tests positive it would be a big shame though |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 07:07
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You'll all be monstrously surprised by Rogers. You're all overrating his time trialling and severely underrating his climbing. Wait until next year.
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you have to be positive t-baum!
If he is, can we give him a 2 year suspension from the forum?
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Posted on 15-08-2008 11:23
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he won world tt two years in a row, so he has been good in the tt. and i think he is preatty good in the mountains but not better than for example kirchen |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 11:24
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again: you'll be surprised on both counts 
his climbing has improved immensely, and as a natural consequence, his TT has regressed immensely
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Posted on 15-08-2008 11:24
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helGn wrote:
you have to be positive t-baum!
If he is, can we give him a 2 year suspension from the forum?
lets make an example and do a lifetime! |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 11:26
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again: you'll be surprised on both counts
i hope your right on the mountain bit, and wrong about tt 
i really like rogers |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 11:39
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he is right..Rogers is at least same with Kirchen in mountains..maybe even better.
And he has improved has climber (like Zabriskie) |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 11:42
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awesome! im really glad to hear that! lets hope he hasnt lost that much on the TT either. usually tt's which improve in the high % dont seem to loose their TT touch as much as mountain goats loose their mountainfeet when they learn to TT. |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 11:53
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this is has been my favorite recipe for success..TT rider who can climb.
(Little chauvinist talk..that why I have expetation about Taaramäe) |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:24
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helGn wrote:
usually tt's which improve in the high % dont seem to loose their TT touch as much as mountain goats loose their mountainfeet when they learn to TT.
Actually it's quite the contrary. Remember Moreau the climber? Do you know how he became a climber? by going from TDF TT winner to a guy who loses 4 minutes in a 35km TT.
That's just one example. I'd estimate Rogers has lost 1:30 to 2:00 in a 50km TT. And still, his climbing is not up to Basso standard (nowhere near, in fact)
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:34
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how good is basso at climbing now a days? compared to for example sastre. and moreau is french, they seem to suck at the moment |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:38
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helGn wrote:
how good is basso at climbing now a days? compared to for example sastre.
You do realise Basso is only 30? he's still at his peak and will be for about 2-3 more years
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moreau is french, they seem to suck at the moment
Everyone sucks when they're old and always injured
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:41
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yes i know basso is only 30. his been out for quite a while from cycling, and i dont know how well he has trained and stuff, so is he as good as contador you reckon? and would he win the TdF if he had been in it? |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:42
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I hope to see Basso in next year Giro..best place for ex and future doper show what he is capable |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:44
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With his 2006 level he'd have won this year TDF, that's for sure.
Back then he was stronger than Contador ever was (till now) but Contador still has a small margin to improve, whereas Basso will normally start to fade in one or two years while he'll lack some racing (almost didn't ride for two years).
But it's natural that Basso was stronger, since he intented to dope at Fuentes. |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:46
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Aquarius wrote:
With his 2006 level he'd have won this year TDF, that's for sure.
Back then he was stronger than Contador ever was (till now) but Contador still has a small margin to improve, whereas Basso will normally start to fade in one or two years while he'll lack some racing (almost didn't ride for two years).
Basso won't do the Tour next year. he'll do the Giro.
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But it's natural that Basso was stronger, since he intented to dope at Fuentes.
Yes, because we all know that Contador didn't do the same...
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:46
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yeah, they all were better back then. but without some of the dope he might not be that good i hope  |
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:51
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they still was the best..doping doesnt help me win TdF..we still need doping and cycling genius to be tour winner.
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Posted on 15-08-2008 12:54
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helGn wrote:
yeah, they all were better back then. but without some of the dope he might not be that good i hope What's sad is that you might be a cycling genius, without dope you'll never enter the final top 10 of a Grand Tour...
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Posted on 15-08-2008 14:29
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Aquarius wrote:
helGn wrote:
yeah, they all were better back then. but without some of the dope he might not be that good i hope What's sad is that you might be a cycling genius, without dope you'll never enter the final top 10 of a Grand Tour...
i ensure you that if I were a cycling genious i still wouldnt even be top 20 |
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