Those guys are all great climbers, often even better punchers, some of them are also elite sprinters, all of them good or great TTists, and at the same time, they are also beasts on the flat and sometimes good cobblers. At the same time, their RES is sometimes terrible and REC attached to STA is also weird to see.
This is a team of all-around monsters.
Not to mention that Neuer's lowest stat is 78.
As said will try to get an own out myself, but I am fairly busy atm so will try to do it asap.
Edit:
Obviously it's very hard to get the stats right, but there should be paid a big amount of attention to. This is not the solution yet if you ask me.
but what if everyone is like this.
it will be a real battle in the TDF to win,
just like FIFA, it needs more difficulty.
and besides, less clubs like LA Galaxy will have less better players.
this is just better, maybe it works. or you must have something better
Believe me, there's no way PCM can handle that. It also makes absolutely no sense to make every good footballer an allround beast. Let's see what modifications Jesley makes to the system.
Those guys are all great climbers, often even better punchers, some of them are also elite sprinters, all of them good or great TTists, and at the same time, they are also beasts on the flat and sometimes good cobblers. At the same time, their RES is sometimes terrible and REC attached to STA is also weird to see.
This is a team of all-around monsters.
Not to mention that Neuer's lowest stat is 78.
As said will try to get an own out myself, but I am fairly busy atm so will try to do it asap.
Edit:
Obviously it's very hard to get the stats right, but there should be paid a big amount of attention to. This is not the solution yet if you ask me.
but what if everyone is like this.
it will be a real battle in the TDF to win,
just like FIFA, it needs more difficulty.
and besides, less clubs like LA Galaxy will have less better players.
this is just better, maybe it works. or you must have something better
Believe me, there's no way PCM can handle that. It also makes absolutely no sense to make every good footballer an allround beast. Let's see what modifications Jesley makes to the system.
not everyone is a beast lol.
Most of the WT will be. I mean, if you'd throw that team in at WT level in the expansion pack, they'd be top favourites in every race they enter. Imagine a whole division of that.
Those guys are all great climbers, often even better punchers, some of them are also elite sprinters, all of them good or great TTists, and at the same time, they are also beasts on the flat and sometimes good cobblers. At the same time, their RES is sometimes terrible and REC attached to STA is also weird to see.
This is a team of all-around monsters.
Not to mention that Neuer's lowest stat is 78.
As said will try to get an own out myself, but I am fairly busy atm so will try to do it asap.
Edit:
Obviously it's very hard to get the stats right, but there should be paid a big amount of attention to. This is not the solution yet if you ask me.
but what if everyone is like this.
it will be a real battle in the TDF to win,
just like FIFA, it needs more difficulty.
and besides, less clubs like LA Galaxy will have less better players.
this is just better, maybe it works. or you must have something better
Believe me, there's no way PCM can handle that. It also makes absolutely no sense to make every good footballer an allround beast. Let's see what modifications Jesley makes to the system.
not everyone is a beast lol.
Most of the WT will be. I mean, if you'd throw that team in at WT level in the expansion pack, they'd be top favourites in every race they enter. Imagine a whole division of that.
That why we are gonna Alter it. (Which was Jalter07's Idea)
or if jesleyh got an better idea, let him speak.
but everything will be altered, or we just need so much creators.
all creating a few teams. based on their report
Thanks to Scattershot Will, we got an jersey for Inter Milan,
keep on going people, if you want to help. please help.
stats discussion keep up going. until we figured it out we won't start with statsing.
if i'm done with my own database, i will already create the teams and players.
after it i will give most of the developers their teams to make the stats in excel.
then if done we are going to change the Equipment Sponsors, we want fully new equipment sponsors, so they don't need to be real. most of time we will accept equipment names like Koenigsegg for Wheels / Cadre, Etc.
Okay, did not wanted to post in this but thought about commenting some thoughts.
It is very difficult to balance riders but in a minor extent it is a possible.
I took out my ideas which are from early 2013 and updated it with modern stats as an example of what could come out as stats:
Note: I thought of the strikers as climbers and the defense players as flat riders unlike you who did it reverse.
What I did is to group the most important stats together so that MO/HI/SP are not based on just one FIFA stat. Instead i used the ratings the players have on their UT cards in DEF/SHO/PAC/DRI for it.
For TT and Prologue i used Heading Accuracy & Jumping since these go well together for most players/riders.
Then I added the Average into the formulas to not make Bolly a world beater but only a mediocre CT rider which he should be.
Of course, there are a lot of things that could be majorly improved like the amount of TT-SP kind of rider (basically all defenders are this), the allround-ness of some midfielders, the RES stat (no formula yet) or the high amount of HI & ACC but this is only to show you that it is possible to work out a bit more balanced PCM stats out of the fifa stats than this: https://www.dropb....xlsx?dl=0 (which Jesleyh made)
knockout wrote:
Okay, did not wanted to post in this but thought about commenting some thoughts.
It is very difficult to balance riders but in a minor extent it is a possible.
I took out my ideas which are from early 2013 and updated it with modern stats as an example of what could come out as stats:
Note: I thought of the strikers as climbers and the defense players as flat riders unlike you who did it reverse.
What I did is to group the most important stats together so that MO/HI/SP are not based on just one FIFA stat. Instead i used the ratings the players have on their UT cards in DEF/SHO/PAC/DRI for it.
For TT and Prologue i used Heading Accuracy & Jumping since these go well together for most players/riders.
Then I added the Average into the formulas to not make Bolly a world beater but only a mediocre CT rider which he should be.
Of course, there are a lot of things that could be majorly improved like the amount of TT-SP kind of rider (basically all defenders are this), the allround-ness of some midfielders, the RES stat (no formula yet) or the high amount of HI & ACC but this is only to show you that it is possible to work out a bit more balanced PCM stats out of the fifa stats than this: https://www.dropb....xlsx?dl=0 (which Jesleyh made)
yeah but what is the formula.
and i don't know if this is perfect.
we also can do a discussion about the stats.
so that most people fill in a form.
like we say messi.
and then everyone send his list,
and we base it on that.
because that list you let us see.
has no formula or sense for anything.
Bolly needs much more Sprinting
Akinfenwa needs to have the best Cobble
and otherwise i need to make it whole on myself.
or jesleyh needs to make some teams.
but there needs to be a formula for everything.
and everything must be right.
Edited by coolrex on 01-03-2015 22:25
anyone considering to make equipment for this database?
i saw some made it at PCM 2012, why not making it here too.
its also a football database, so yeah. if you can make it please do it
@Jesleyh, @Dippofix, @knockout, @jandal7 @cycleman123 @jenro98
how do we create the perfect formula for the stats.
because knockout system was not good divided over the fifa stats.
and mine were to All-round, but how do you otherwise choose the sprintstats of a climber like ronaldo, while he has 94 SP and 91 ACC in FIFA.
there needs to be something or we gonna use the one like mine.
and see how the game will play. we can´t take forever talking about stats.
we need to figure out something to play with. you can do knockout system.
but it will represent a weird thing about messi and ronaldo, who cannot sprint a little bit, and if they can´t climb. they won´t be world best. so what are we gonna do? i want all of you to think about something. and maybe fast too.
we want to make the database as soon as possible to go thinking
Oh I'm sure knockout's stats were based on a formula.
But what he's done is doing the opposite of you.
Defenders,'who are often tall, are sprinters/cobblers here, while the strikers are actually climbers here.
It would actually not be as logical as you think if sprinters in football would also be fastest sprinters on the bike.
Someone like Messi being a climber would make much more sense, him being as light as he is. Plus, strikers are often worth more and stuff so imo it would make some more sense if they are the stage-racers.
Sure it has some flaws but it's a start and the matrix seems a lot more playable, aside from the few overpowered riders(Schweini, Toure, Zlatan).
Would be great if you could post your formulas, knockout
I'm kinda liking knockout's, if he has a formula then check it out, if not I think an existing formula or one we've got followed by editing would be good.
The point I really want to make is a formula, it's all academic. It's amazing and useful and... but it's all rigid, all scientific. Which is great just, sometimes we will feel a player/rider should be altered quite a bit. Not changing specialty a lot, but say Xavi and Iniesta. Xavi, I feel, should be a puncher with decent flat and sprint and maybe cobble stats. Iniesta should be a sneaky little Bentacur but not fat. But with formulae they come out similar. So that's the kind of post-editing I meant. Not major like that always, but some players/riders You will just think hang on a sec here, that's not how I envision him.
EDIT: @coolrex we give 'em high acc stat
EDIT #2: @knockout but then box-to-box midfielders like Yaya, they're very high at everything. An all 70s for him and others is fine, but on what I said before then we edit to give him one big thing, instead of a Adam Yates Climber with Contador-esque TT, Tony Martin Flats, Sagan-ish cobbles, Celeb Ewan Sprint and Spartacus secondary stats, not to mention Jensie's FTR Edited by jandal7 on 02-03-2015 08:12
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Jesleyh wrote:
Oh I'm sure knockout's stats were based on a formula.
But what he's done is doing the opposite of you.
Defenders,'who are often tall, are sprinters/cobblers here, while the strikers are actually climbers here.
It would actually not be as logical as you think if sprinters in football would also be fastest sprinters on the bike.
Someone like Messi being a climber would make much more sense, him being as light as he is. Plus, strikers are often worth more and stuff so imo it would make some more sense if they are the stage-racers.
Sure it has some flaws but it's a start and the matrix seems a lot more playable, aside from the few overpowered riders(Schweini, Toure, Zlatan).
Would be great if you could post your formulas, knockout
yeah ok, if you look it that way.
but we won´t do the FIFA Ultimate Team Cards Stats.
Those aren´t right calculated by FIFA, and are renamed to 1 stats.
like Pace = what you think speed and acceleration. but you´re wrong.
its also their agility and shit. so FIFA can´t do the math if you know what i mean .
Also Ronaldo would be the Best not Messi, Messi ain´t champion of the world anymore, and still Ronaldinho is better then Messi Edited by coolrex on 02-03-2015 08:06
@Coolrex
Well I think the calculation for card stats can be used. Not the futhead cards(those are outdated, the latest sofifa ststs should be used) but nothing wrong with the calculation itself, and I was actually considering using them for my formulas.
I don't know all of them by heart, but I know Pace = 0,6x sprint speed + 0,4x Acceleration. Agilty is part of the dribbling stat and shit is not used for anything
Ronaldo is the best stage-racer in this case, and Messi the best puncher, and also a good climber. So that seems fine imo.
Jesleyh wrote:
@Coolrex
Well I think the calculation for card stats can be used. Not the futhead cards(those are outdated, the latest sofifa ststs should be used) but nothing wrong with the calculation itself, and I was actually considering using them for my formulas.
I don't know all of them by heart, but I know Pace = 0,6x sprint speed + 0,4x Acceleration. Agilty is part of the dribbling stat and shit is not used for anything
Ronaldo is the best stage-racer in this case, and Messi the best puncher, and also a good climber. So that seems fine imo.
Will look into this after school I think.
@Paul Eww not RB Leipzig
Messi Purito but better
Ronaldo Froome
Seems like a plan
Let's roll
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coolrex wrote:
Wait last year i found the Calculation of the Average of FIFA,
which was the importance stat of an Position, i will find it and post it here.
This is it,
This is how you calculate an FIFA Average stat of someone.
Stat x (Number it says)
putt it all together as total
do : 100 and you have you´re average.
we need to connect somehow the best stat, to the PCM stat that is most important for that position, maybe this will help for you
maybe making a formula for all.
like you chose an speciality, and that will be compared with important stat for the pcm of that speciality, and that can be compared with the FIFA ones
Edited by coolrex on 02-03-2015 09:39
Jesleyh wrote:
@Coolrex
Well I think the calculation for card stats can be used. Not the futhead cards(those are outdated, the latest sofifa ststs should be used) but nothing wrong with the calculation itself, and I was actually considering using them for my formulas.
I don't know all of them by heart, but I know Pace = 0,6x sprint speed + 0,4x Acceleration. Agilty is part of the dribbling stat and shit is not used for anything
Ronaldo is the best stage-racer in this case, and Messi the best puncher, and also a good climber. So that seems fine imo.
Will look into this after school I think.
@Paul Eww not RB Leipzig
Sofifa don´t have card stats -_-
they have the real stats.
Futhead only haves the Ultimate Team stats. which is only updated in the winter.
so no Card-Stats, but Sofifa-stats
Edited by coolrex on 02-03-2015 09:38
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