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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:04
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The Hobbit wrote:
Ok, so at what point was Luis Leon Sanchez 'standing over a corpse with a smoking gun'. No point making analogies if there isn't any sense to them...
When was Luis Leon Sanchez an alternate name for Lance Armstrong, the person we're discussing?
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:07
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I dont like when retired riders or riders that have been caught doping then say they are not the only one in either the team or whatever race they were caught in. Its complete backstabbing and what we call 'not brothers'.
But at least it exposes them which is I guess something which is pretty much inevitable.
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:09
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issoisso wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
Ok, so at what point was Luis Leon Sanchez 'standing over a corpse with a smoking gun'. No point making analogies if there isn't any sense to them...
When was Luis Leon Sanchez an alternate name for Lance Armstrong, the person we're discussing?
We weren't discussing Armstrong, he was a side point for the Sanchez discussion. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:11
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Maybe you were, but I was discussing Armstrong. I never got involved in the LLS discussion and specifically quoted only the Armstrong part of his post
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:13
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Isso, at the start the discussion was about LLS.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:24
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How freaking hard is it to understand that if I replied only to the phrases where someone explicitly talked about someone else, I am referring only to that someone else.
This is extremely basic.
If we're having a discussion about Andy Schleck, then halfway through I say "unlike Frank who bla bla bla" and you say "yes, but Frank has a green car", what would be your reaction if I chided you for saying Andy has a green car?
Edited by issoisso on 18-01-2014 08:26
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:26
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I understand that isso.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:27
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I'm going to get coffee and chalk this up to it being early in the morning
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:30
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issoisso wrote:
I'm going to get coffee and chalk this up to it being early in the morning
Actually for me its 9pm
Anyway, I am in no mood for a pointless argument. Either way this is not the thread for it. Im sure there is a thread for it somewhere.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:32
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The Hobbit wrote:
Ok, so at what point was Luis Leon Sanchez 'standing over a corpse with a smoking gun'. No point making analogies if there isn't any sense to them...
You tell us. No Pro Tour team has been willing to sign such a talented rider. Yet many here deny he's shot anyone (to prolong the analogy), so there must be something that I'm missing. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 18-01-2014 08:34
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Aquarius wrote:
The Hobbit wrote:
Ok, so at what point was Luis Leon Sanchez 'standing over a corpse with a smoking gun'. No point making analogies if there isn't any sense to them...
You tell us. No Pro Tour team has been willing to sign such a talented rider. Yet many here deny he's shot anyone (to prolong the analogy), so there must be something that I'm missing.
I really really really don't get why the 4 guys caught on wiretaps in Operación Galgo discussing their drugs and effects with Dr. Virú are still allowed to ride and nothing ever came of it.
One of them is even president of the riders' association. It blows my mind.
EDIT: Galgo or Grial? I always get those two mixed up
Edited by issoisso on 18-01-2014 08:48
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-01-2014 10:11
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LLS is linked to Operacion Galgo, which mostly involved track and field athletes, via Dr Fuentes (again), whereas Operacion Grial was about more sports and involved more cyclists.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 18-01-2014 10:13
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'Is linked'? According to..?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-01-2014 10:36
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Nobody. It's a huge conspiracy against your favourite rider. He's innocent until proven guilty. Just like you shall keep doing the ostrich instead of merely using google or whatever search engine pleases you most... Jeebus...
Again, it's surely because there's nothing about him that he almost found himself without a team and ended up at one of the most dodgy team around. |
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| Matthew21rp |
Posted on 18-01-2014 11:58
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
'Is linked'? According to..?
Exactly LLS is only linked to this doping thing. So why does he suffer having to drop out of the world tour because he is linked to something? There is no proof he did anything!!!
Belkin should be ashamed of themselves 
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| CountArach |
Posted on 18-01-2014 12:01
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
I dont like when retired riders or riders that have been caught doping then say they are not the only one in either the team or whatever race they were caught in. Its complete backstabbing and what we call 'not brothers'.
But at least it exposes them which is I guess something which is pretty much inevitable.
Are you kidding me? I am baffled that anyone could possibly think that.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-01-2014 12:21
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CountArach wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
I dont like when retired riders or riders that have been caught doping then say they are not the only one in either the team or whatever race they were caught in. Its complete backstabbing and what we call 'not brothers'.
But at least it exposes them which is I guess something which is pretty much inevitable.
Are you kidding me? I am baffled that anyone could possibly think that.
I have to 2nd what Count has said. How do you come to that thinking?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-01-2014 12:35
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Matthew21rp wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
'Is linked'? According to..?
Exactly LLS is only linked to this doping thing. So why does he suffer having to drop out of the world tour because he is linked to something? There is no proof he did anything!!!
Belkin should be ashamed of themselves
The other possibility being that they have more or better informations that you have and don't want to be compromised.
I suppose issoisso is more informed than me on the matter, and he certainly reads Spanish better than I, but when a rider is phone taped discussing the effects of X and Y drugs on him and others, it's certainly that he has nothing to do with it. Probably just a poorly chosen coded language for something unrelated...
CountArach wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
I dont like when retired riders or riders that have been caught doping then say they are not the only one in either the team or whatever race they were caught in. Its complete backstabbing and what we call 'not brothers'.
But at least it exposes them which is I guess something which is pretty much inevitable.
Are you kidding me? I am baffled that anyone could possibly think that.
We, the cycling community as a whole, should behave like actual mobsters. Period.
Or at least some regrettable people seem to think like this.
Edited by Aquarius on 18-01-2014 12:39
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| The Hobbit |
Posted on 18-01-2014 13:30
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1- umm, is it impossible to get a discussion here without you all being angry 
2- Regardless of whether people are Ostriches or not, doing the opposite, (false accusations) is probably more damaging to the sport, and I'm not saying Luis Sanchez isn't cheating, but if that's the case then well.. You get the idea.
3- Stop saying things are evidence when they aren't. Being dropped by the World Tour is nothing, talking about doping is an indicator, but not necessarily proof if he has an excuse, (and I mean a good one, not, marginal gains or something )
Only proof of doping is a raid or a test as far as I'm concerned.
4- There is no point in us discussing this anyway, we have to trust the UCI/WADA aren't corrupt and they are the only ones who can deal with it.
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Posted on 18-01-2014 13:35
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Luis Leon Sanchez has a green car?
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